[sounding]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

There IS a relationship. Today's modern world is FULL of interrelationships, especially between the US and China, which we know are the world's biggest polluters. And China currently has a population of 1.4 Billion people. The world population is about 8 Trillion compare to about 1 Trillion in 1800. The Chinese middle-class increased rapidly and they are all driving vehicles that are burning fossil fuel, which is greatly adding to the problems of Global Warming. So, the Chinese population is a big factor in the increasing or decreasing pressure on Global Warming. China has handled its Covid problem badly and is desperate for a solution. Their Covid problem has decreased their factory outputs and decreased their middle class's driving habits. The overall result could (?) be to
produce less EXCESS CO2 and be good for the planet's environment and, hopefully, help combat Global Warming.

If there is a relationship between man-made CO2 and global warming, then tell me ... how much has "man-made" CO2 warmed the earth last year? Otherwise it's a myth. What isn't a myth, is the satellite and surface data showing a 7-year cooling trend.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by sounding

If there is a relationship between man-made CO2 and global warming, then tell me ... how much has "man-made" CO2 warmed the earth last year? Otherwise it's a myth. What isn't a myth, is the satellite and surface data showing a 7-year cooling trend.

Uggh, it just never ends…

Ironically, there has been a cooling trend for the last seven years because there was a particularly HOT year at about that time. While recent years still show a warming trend, if you choose to start at a particularly HOT point then even warm years look cooler.

With decades of data, you chose a point seven years ago because doing so showed what you wanted it to. Perhaps you didn’t notice that you chose an example of a warming climate to try to make your point that the climate is cooling… or maybe you thought no one would bother to look.

The next dozen times when you trot out the question of the seven years, please include this post - it will save me the time and trouble of doing it myself.

[sounding]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Uggh, it just never ends…

Ironically, there has been a cooling trend for the last seven years because there was a particularly HOT year at about that time. While recent years still show a warming trend, if you choose to start at a particularly HOT point then even warm years look cooler.

With decades of data, you chose a point seven years ago because doing so showed what you wanted it to. Perhaps you didn’t notice that you chose an example of a warming climate to try to make your point that the climate is cooling… or maybe you thought no one would bother to look.

The next dozen times when you trot out the question of the seven years, please include this post - it will save me the time and trouble of doing it myself.

Yes with each particularly hot wave, there will follow a particularly cold wave. This 7-year cooling trend just may be that Al Gore tipping point he was talking about which continues its downward trend. Fortunately, adding more CO2 actually helps global cooling, but that is just part of the answer. Stay tuned for more "cooling" topics.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

8 TRILLION people?

You sure about that?

And just repeating non sequiturs doesn't an argument make...

Yes, 7.8 Trillion to be more exact. I decided to round up.

[Kenswing]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Yes, 7.8 Trillion to be more exact. I decided to round up.

And you wonder why no one takes you seriously.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Byte1

There's an old saying that seem relevant now,. " I have to call BS on that..."

As a matter of fact, I just heard a news reporter talking to a British News Reporter in China about a huge, HORRIFIC new SURGE in Covid deaths and hospitalizations due to China's lifting of the tight Covid restrictions. China 1st made the mistake of forcibly imprisoning whole condos of people to prevent an outbreak of Covid for the purpose of "maintaining social stability". Then when their masses got tired and rebelled, China's 2nd stupid move is to move too quickly to remove Covid restrictions - AGAIN in the name of "social stability". Now, they have a SURGE of Covid cases and NO "social stability". The best estimate is for one million DEATHS in the next year.

The already large number of unreported Deaths added to the 1 MILLION predicted deaths add up to much less industrial and other activity, which will affect CO2 in a significant manner (likely decreasing future potential worldwide Global Warming). That much population change in a top-polluting and populated country HAS TO HAVE A major effect on Climate Change.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Kenswing

And you wonder why no one takes you seriously.

Just Google the current world population. And IF it IS true that no one takes me seriously, then I will just say that I tried my best to be informative. No one can please everyone!

[Kenswing]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Just Google the current world population.

I recommend you do the same. Pay a little more attention to how many zeros there are after the 7.8.

[DARFAP]

And the earth continues to turn, like it has got billions of years. Tired of these narratives...

[mtdjed]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Yes, 7.8 Trillion to be more exact. I decided to round up.

Wow! Thats rounding in a big way. 7.8 Trillion people at 98.6 F/each (or so). No wonder we have global warming.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by DARFAP

And the earth continues to turn, like it has got billions of years. Tired of these narratives...

And it will without us on it trillions of more years. We are destroying our great grandchildren's world while arguing about established science.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Just Google the current world population. And IF it IS true that no one takes me seriously, then I will just say that I tried my best to be informative. No one can please everyone!

My search said 8 Billion a/o November.
So the planet is getting warmer as a result of the effects of industrialization, global habitat destruction, polution and over population. 8 billion humans, poisoning the land and water, decimating the old growth forests (the lungs of the planet), covering the land with concrete and filling the air with exhaust fumes. 8 Billion is more than enough to have a negative impact.

[sounding]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

My search said 8 Billion a/o November.
So the planet is getting warmer as a result of the effects of industrialization, global habitat destruction, polution and over population. 8 billion humans, poisoning the land and water, decimating the old growth forests (the lungs of the planet), covering the land with concrete and filling the air with exhaust fumes. 8 Billion is more than enough to have a negative impact.

Earth can easily handle double or triple that. Who knows, maybe even more. There is safety in numbers, especially if you have another extinction asteroid event -- and even another black plague or something. As soon as the Greenland ice melts, that's lots more land for people -- and the Vikings might even return then to the "Green" lands. Survival is dependent on numbers -- the more better. The more CO2 the better -- and the more warmer the better. However more taxes is not better.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by DARFAP

And the earth continues to turn, like it has got billions of years. Tired of these narratives...

To the best of my knowledge, TOTV forums are not required reading.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by sounding

Earth can easily handle double or triple that. Who knows, maybe even more. There is safety in numbers, especially if you have another extinction asteroid event -- and even another black plague or something. As soon as the Greenland ice melts, that's lots more land for people -- and the Vikings might even return then to the "Green" lands. Survival is dependent on numbers -- the more better. The more CO2 the better -- and the more warmer the better. However more taxes is not better.

If humans were all hunter/gatherers, like our forebearers, I might, might consider it possibile. But with all our industry and wonderous and destructive technologies, no way. Humankind is a force to be reckoned with. A powerful and very world changing force.