[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

If the climate change deniers are right we will probably all be dead anyway. It will get too hot for humans and then it will eventually cool down around 2300 or whenever.

And we will have probably started created trash heaps on the moon. After someone like Elon Musk builds a colony of very rich people.

But the deniers are wrong on all counts, relying on false or inaccurate and partial anecdotes to bolster their faulty conclusions. Suffice it to say, you are right, they are wrong. It's a cult that blindly follows the leader.

P.S. And, by the way, if anybody should ask, Fred Flintstone drove a Canopysaurus, aka "Cavemobile" . It didn't rely on fossil fuels or electricity. No carbon footprint, only cartoon footprints.

[Eclas]

You'll have to prove that Bill. The fossil fuel argument is BS unless it can be proved. The scientists that keep pushing this bs are loving their grants and all the money they get. Talk to a scientists that is not being funded by the global warming alarmists.

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Not exactly. Warming (and cooling) has been occurring for millions of years (as some on here constantly point out). However, the *rate* of warming has increased as the world has increased its use of fossil fuels. It is that increase in rate that the climatologists are worried about.

[44Apple]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

if you say it long enough it becomes fact

how fables and fairy tales are created

Correct, as practiced by Hitler and Trump.

[rustyp]

Today 98 degrees
Thurs 97 degrees
Fri 98 degrees
Sat 98 degrees
Sun 97 degrees

Coupled with a low of 76 - 77 degrees each day. That's actual temp not heat index. The heat index is forecast to be 111 - 113 degrees. - enjoy.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by rustyp

Today 98 degrees
Thurs 97 degrees
Fri 98 degrees
Sat 98 degrees
Sun 97 degrees

Coupled with a low of 76 - 77 degrees each day. That's actual temp not heat index. The heat index is forecast to be 111 - 113 degrees. - enjoy.

It's called central Florida in August, no different than 200 years ago

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

But the deniers are wrong on all counts, relying on false or inaccurate and partial anecdotes to bolster their faulty conclusions. Suffice it to say, you are right, they are wrong. It's a cult that blindly follows the leader.

P.S. And, by the way, if anybody should ask, Fred Flintstone drove a Canopysaurus, aka "Cavemobile" . It didn't rely on fossil fuels or electricity. No carbon footprint, only cartoon footprints.

First of all, what you and others term as "deniers" are those that understand the science and paleoclimatology. The true "deniers" are the global warming alarmists and those that stand to make huge profits.

And thanks for reinforcing one of my points---Fred Flintstone didn't use fossil fuels---so explain the last 20,000 years of global warming.

[Tblue]

I too watch the weather forecast and the hype of higher temperatures and most always the mention of the "heat index" which seems to make it more severe. In a few months we will be hearing about the "wind chill". What is the wind chill today?

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Tblue

I too watch the weather forecast and the hype of higher temperatures and most always the mention of the "heat index" which seems to make it more severe. In a few months we will be hearing about the "wind chill". What is the wind chill today?

True. But even if we have record cold this winter, the indoctrinated will claim that global warming can cause cold and snow

No different, than a page or 2 ago, I was challenged to "name" just one glacier that was growing. While there are thousands, mostly unnamed, I gave the names of 2. The rebuttal was some contrived article that used contorted data and logic to claim that the growing glacier is "bad" and is proof of global warming. So, I guess in their little fantasy world, climate change advocates actually believe that shrinking glaciers are caused by global warming AND growing glaciers are caused by global warming!

Go figure. And they call US the "deniers"!

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

First of all, what you and others term as "deniers" are those that understand the science and paleoclimatology. The true "deniers" are the global warming alarmists and those that stand to make huge profits.

And thanks for reinforcing one of my points---Fred Flintstone didn't use fossil fuels---so explain the last 20,000 years of global warming.

My apologies for the use of the term "denier ". I didn't realize how it upset you. What term do you think more appropriate for one who denies the fact of global warming. I've got a few suggestions, but "denier" is by far the least objectionable, imho.

First off, Mr. Flintstone is not real, nor does he represent prehistoric humans in any real way. He is a cartoon version of Ralph Cramden of The Honeymooners.
Second, the natural cycle was disrupted, no real surprise, beginning with the massive increase in population, the start of the industrial revolution, the use of fossil fuel, and the massive destruction of ecosystems world wide.
Want to cry "Follow the money"? Then follow the BIG money and it will lead you right to big oil.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

My apologies for the use of the term "denier ". I didn't realize how it upset you. What term do you think more appropriate for one who denies the fact of global warming. I've got a few suggestions, but "denier" is by far the least objectionable, imho.

First off, Mr. Flintstone is not real, nor does he represent prehistoric humans in any real way. He is a cartoon version of Ralph Cramden of The Honeymooners.
Second, the natural cycle was disrupted, no real surprise, beginning with the massive increase in population, the start of the industrial revolution, the use of fossil fuel, and the massive destruction of ecosystems world wide.
Want to cry "Follow the money"? Then follow the BIG money and it will lead you right to big oil.

WHAT!!!!! Fred isn't real?????? How dare you---everyone knows he's real

And global warming IS real, It's been going on for the last 20,000 years, this cycle, one of many cycles over the last 4 1/2 million years----all WITHOUT HUMAN ACTIVITY.
Are we now accelerating the process? Maybe, but we lack long term data to make that conclusion. 20,50,100 years is NOWHERE LONG ENOUGH to conclude anything, despite what the false alarmist narrative being pushed wants you to believe

Follow the money---yes--the money is the 131 TRILLION needed to follow the Paris accords---makes the oil industry look like paupers

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

True. But even if we have record cold this winter, the indoctrinated will claim that global warming can cause cold and snow

No different, than a page or 2 ago, I was challenged to "name" just one glacier that was growing. While there are thousands, mostly unnamed, I gave the names of 2. The rebuttal was some contrived article that used contorted data and logic to claim that the growing glacier is "bad" and is proof of global warming. So, I guess in their little fantasy world, climate change advocates actually believe that shrinking glaciers are caused by global warming AND growing glaciers are caused by global warming!

Go figure. And they call US the "deniers"!

Record cold this winter in Florida would be weather. Global (world wide) temperature, look at that instead of picking some local weather phenomenon.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Eclas

You'll have to prove that Bill. The fossil fuel argument is BS unless it can be proved. The scientists that keep pushing this bs are loving their grants and all the money they get. Talk to a scientists that is not being funded by the global warming alarmists.

The lack of fossil fuel argument is BS unless it can be proven. Prove to me that humans are NOT contributing to the accelerated rate of climate change. No examples, no anecdotal stories about your mom's hairdresser's house at the beach...no using the Noah's Ark story as your official research document proving that floods happen throughout history. No op-eds from Breitbart.

Show us the science. Not an article ABOUT the science, but the science itself.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Eclas

You'll have to prove that Bill. The fossil fuel argument is BS unless it can be proved. The scientists that keep pushing this bs are loving their grants and all the money they get. Talk to a scientists that is not being funded by the global warming alarmists.

That the rate of warming has increased over the last 150 years is no longer being disputed, even by the deniers. I won't be proving it, I'm not a climatologist and the data is available to anyone interested in googling it.

[oldtimes]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Second, the natural cycle was disrupted, no real surprise, beginning with the massive increase in population, the start of the industrial revolution, the use of fossil fuel, and the massive destruction of ecosystems world wide.
Want to cry "Follow the money"? Then follow the BIG money and it will lead you right to big oil.

Yes, there are many contributing factors so why is fossil fuel the only target? Why do we think that switching from fossil fuel to electric which uses fossil fuel in a different manner and batteries which are toxic are going to save us? I think we should be planting more trees and stop ripping out grass.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Record cold this winter in Florida would be weather. Global (world wide) temperature, look at that instead of picking some local weather phenomenon.

Exactly. Just as record heat this summer is weather. And so far this summer, no record has been broken on any single day. So, if you review this thread, why is near record heat this summer indicative of global warming but a theoretical record cold winter doesn't dispute it.

Answer, and you've already stated it----both are WEATHER and neither has anything to do with a 120,000 year cycle.