[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

I suppose some flat earthers thought they were using critical thinking.

Exactly! Just like climate change advocates

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Creativity, critical thinking & climate education for the green transition - OECD Education and Skills Today.

I suppose some flat earthers thought they were using critical thinking.

Indeed! As undoubtedly did the phrenologists of 200 years ago and, of course, the opponents of Galileo.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Exactly! Just like climate change advocates

If the climate change deniers are right we will probably all be dead anyway. It will get too hot for humans and then it will eventually cool down around 2300 or whenever.

And we will have probably started created trash heaps on the moon. After someone like Elon Musk builds a colony of very rich people.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

If the climate change deniers are right we will probably all be dead anyway. It will get too hot for humans and then it will eventually cool down around 2300 or whenever.

And we will have probably started created trash heaps on the moon. After someone like Elon Musk builds a colony of very rich people.

Disagree. There have been over a dozen cycles of glaciation and interglacial thaws over the past 4 1/2 million years, and our hominid ancestors as well as more recent Cro-Magnon great-great......great grandparents have survived them all and have done so with essentially zero technology. If we all die, it will probably be at our own hands, not some climate cycle.

[Villagesgal]

Those Temps are for the Orlando area, not the Villages. Northern Villages Temps are lower than Southern Villages. You are using their Temps in Orlando. I've lived here 22 years, summers are a bit warmer as are springs. Winters a bit colder. Climate is changing, but then again it always does over the years. Don't be so fixated on the Temps that news station is reporting.

[Donegalkid]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I generally watch WFTV (ABC affiliate) in the morning for local news and weather. I have no idea about other stations, but for the last 2 weeks they have been pushing harder than ever their narrative of high temperatures. This morning they claimed that we have substantially higher temps than normal, and used the terms "unprecedented", and "dangerous". What is insidious is their use of "heat index" almost to the exclusion of actual temperatures so they can put triple number digits on their map. No comparison of these "heat indices" with past values are given.

OK, actual high temps in the Villages 7/27-8/3----94,96,95,96,96,98,96 avg 95.86
Oh, wait a minute, that was LAST year
This year, same dates---89,90,96,97,91,95,93 avg 93.00 or 2.86 deg COOLER
This is what the weatherman claimed is "substantially higher than usual". So I'm calling BS on that.
I can only assume that the news media has access to more complete temperature data than those numbers I just pulled off the accuweather website, so clearly they are LYING TO US. Why???? Is there an agenda at work here?

Meanwhile, pretty much all of Central Florida is under a heat advisory, which the weatherman stated was unusual. True, there was no heat advisory this time last year when it was 2.86 degrees WARMER. So why is that?

Well, heat advisories are issued by the National Weather Service, a division of NOAA which falls under the Department of Commerce, lead by a cabinet level secretary.
So, here is what they are doing:
"Today, U.S. Commerce Secretary Gina M. Raimondo announced funding opportunities from NOAA's $2.96 billion in Infrastructure Law funds to address the climate crisis and strengthen coastal resilience and infrastructure. Over the next five years, NOAA’s targeted investments in the areas of habitat restoration, coastal resilience, and climate data and services will advance ongoing federal efforts toward building climate resilience.

Looks like they're getting plenty of media support for their "efforts"

Draw your own conclusions, but IMHO it appears that reporting temps as heat indices, issuing heat advisories when it is actually cooler than last year, and Good Morning America's lead story every day on the weather serves to push the continuing false narrative of "global warming", for which a few figure to profit immensely.

Addendum: This morning's GMA story is about a glacier they hunted for that is melting at an "unprecedented" rate. Probably true, but there are other glaciers that are growing. And in another 40,000 years those glaciers will grow 2 miles of ice over much of the Northern Hemisphere.

Zip code 32162 falls under Tampa Bay Area for monthly/yearly climate summaries complied by the U.S. National Weather Service. Link to data, e.g. for July 2022, July 2023 can be found at: Climate Summaries and Write-ups

One probably can get more specific actual factual data for Orlando area north …

NWS Tampa area summary statement for July 2023, as quoted from their site:

July 2023 Climate Summary
for West Central and Southwest Florida
Temperatures across West Central and Southwest Florida generally averaged a few degrees above normal in July 2023 with several locations in the Top Three Warmest for July, and Warmest Month on Record!

NWS Tampa area summary statement for July 2022, as quoted from their site:

July 2022 Climate Summary
for West Central and Southwest Florida
Temperatures across West Central and Southwest Florida averaged near to a few degrees above normal in July 2022 with several locations ending up in the Top Ten Warmest for July, including Tampa which set a New Record for the Warmest Month since records began in 1890!

So, maybe July 2023 was maybe a bit “cooler” than July 2022 and it seems both July 2022 and July 2023 were warmer than normal.

Enjoy the warm weather! So nice; love it.

[Sully]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Socially and politically I have no idea. But in terms of climate it will be no different in the next 5-10,000 years than it has been in the last 5-10,000, barring a substantial asteroid impact

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[Vermilion Villager]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Addendum: This morning's GMA story is about a glacier they hunted for that is melting at an "unprecedented" rate. Probably true, but there are other glaciers that are growing. And in another 40,000 years those glaciers will grow 2 miles of ice over much of the Northern Hemisphere.

Please name one glacier that is growing.........

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager

Please name one glacier that is growing.........

Let Me Google That

[Vermilion Villager]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Care to back that up with the facts???

Don't bother, here they are, check it if you like:

Entire oil industry profit in 2022-----200 billion, which would be 10 trillion over 50 years

Proposed spending to "combat" climate change---$100 TRILLION over next 50 years. Or 10x oil industry profit. Care to revise your post??????

What I'd like to know is just WHAT "they" plan to do with $100 trillion? Sell more EVs to those that think electricity just appears out of the ether? But you don't need money to sell something. Build more nuclear power plants??? Seems contrary to "their" agenda. Send a planetary distress signal to the starship Enterprise so we can borrow some matter-antimatter reactors???? Or better yet, just like the remake of "The Day the Earth Stood Still", abandon all technology and live like cavemen. But wait, we've been experiencing global warming for 20,000 years during which time we WERE cavemen.

Bottom line, there is no current solution, just a scam to put mega dollars into the hands of the few.

Apples and oranges. The profit the oil companies are making is just a small fraction of the over all cost of fossil fuel. Also, I do not know where you're getting $100 trillion figure from. Even if it were correct (its "proposed" so even you don't know), the only thing that shows is that it cost a lot more to clean up the mess than it does to create it.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager

Please name one glacier that is growing.........

Seriously?? There are thousands, most of which aren't named.. But I'll give you a couple that have names:

Jakobshavn Glacier in Greenland
Hubbard Glacier in Alaska

Or did you think that all 130,000 glaciers on the planet were shrinking, possibly disappearing like the polar ice caps were supposed to by 2010?

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager

Apples and oranges. The profit the oil companies are making is just a small fraction of the over all cost of fossil fuel. Also, I do not know where you're getting $100 trillion figure from. Even if it were correct (its "proposed" so even you don't know), the only thing that shows is that it cost a lot more to clean up the mess than it does to create it.

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[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Windguy

The money being spent to prevent serious climate change is peanuts compared to the money being made by the fossil-fuel industry.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Care to back that up with the facts???

Don't bother, here they are, check it if you like:

Entire oil industry profit in 2022-----200 billion, which would be 10 trillion over 50 years

Proposed spending to "combat" climate change---$100 TRILLION over next 50 years. Or 10x oil industry profit. Care to revise your post??????

What I'd like to know is just WHAT "they" plan to do with $100 trillion? Sell more EVs to those that think electricity just appears out of the ether? But you don't need money to sell something. Build more nuclear power plants??? Seems contrary to "their" agenda. Send a planetary distress signal to the starship Enterprise so we can borrow some matter-antimatter reactors???? Or better yet, just like the remake of "The Day the Earth Stood Still", abandon all technology and live like cavemen. But wait, we've been experiencing global warming for 20,000 years during which time we WERE cavemen.

Bottom line, there is no current solution, just a scam to put mega dollars into the hands of the few.

Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager

Apples and oranges. The profit the oil companies are making is just a small fraction of the over all cost of fossil fuel. Also, I do not know where you're getting $100 trillion figure from. Even if it were correct (its "proposed" so even you don't know), the only thing that shows is that it cost a lot more to clean up the mess than it does to create it.

Congrats on the non-sequitur post of the day!

The premise from the first post was that money spent to "combat" climate change was "peanuts" compared to fossil fuel industry revenue

My rebuttal was that estimates/proposals/whatever you want to call it was at least 10x greater than industry profit

You post diverges to cost of oil spill clean-ups, which has nothing to do with the topic.

as far as the $100 trillion estimate goes, how about this from the Wall Street Journal?:

WSJ EXPLAINS
October 29, 2021

How Much Would It Cost to Reduce Global Warming? $131 Trillion Is the answer.
$131 trillion will be the cost of meeting some Paris targets, estimates the International Renewable Energy Agency

[Vermilion Villager]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Seriously?? There are thousands, most of which aren't named.. But I'll give you a couple that have names:

Jakobshavn Glacier in Greenland
Hubbard Glacier in Alaska

Or did you think that all 130,000 glaciers on the planet were shrinking, possibly disappearing like the polar ice caps were supposed to by 2010?

Jakobshavn Glacier in Greenland
Why a Growing Greenland Glacier Doesn't Mean Good News for Global Warming – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet.
Hubbard Glacier in Alaska
Geologic Hazards - Climate and Cryosphere | Alaska Division of Geological & Geophysical Surveys).

ANY QUESTIONS?

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager

Jakobshavn Glacier in Greenland
Why a Growing Greenland Glacier Doesn't Mean Good News for Global Warming – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet.
Hubbard Glacier in Alaska
Geologic Hazards - Climate and Cryosphere | Alaska Division of Geological & Geophysical Surveys).

ANY QUESTIONS?

2 articles that try to spin a growing glacier as bad

Any questions?