[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

According to the climate history of the last 4 1/2 million years.

Let's see----20 years of so-called climatologists shouting "global warming" ( the same climatologists who were touting "global freezing" 50 years ago) vs 4 1/2 million years of climate cycles, data gleaned from ice cores and geological strata.

I'll go with the historical record.

So you've done your own research. I saw a meme about that not so long ago.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

So you've done your own research. I saw a meme about that not so long ago.

Don't be obtuse. Of course others did the research. Personally, I have never visited the South Pole or Greenland with an ice core drill and used LGC or NMR technology to analyze the samples. Since you seem to agree with the anthropogenic climate change scammers, have you done YOUR own research????

Goose/gander?

[Steve]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I generally watch WFTV (ABC affiliate) in the morning for local news and weather. I have no idea about other stations, but for the last 2 weeks they have been pushing harder than ever their narrative of high temperatures. This morning they claimed that we have substantially higher temps than normal, and used the terms "unprecedented", and "dangerous". What is insidious is their use of "heat index" almost to the exclusion of actual temperatures so they can put triple number digits on their map. No comparison of these "heat indices" with past values are given.

OK, actual high temps in the Villages 7/27-8/3----94,96,95,96,96,98,96 avg 95.86
Oh, wait a minute, that was LAST year
This year, same dates---89,90,96,97,91,95,93 avg 93.00 or 2.86 deg COOLER
This is what the weatherman claimed is "substantially higher than usual". So I'm calling BS on that.
I can only assume that the news media has access to more complete temperature data than those numbers I just pulled off the accuweather website, so clearly they are LYING TO US. Why???? Is there an agenda at work here?

Meanwhile, pretty much all of Central Florida is under a heat advisory, which the weatherman stated was unusual. True, there was no heat advisory this time last year when it was 2.86 degrees WARMER. So why is that?

Well, heat advisories are issued by the National Weather Service, a division of NOAA which falls under the Department of Commerce, lead by a cabinet level secretary.
So, here is what they are doing:
"Today, U.S. Commerce Secretary Gina M. Raimondo announced funding opportunities from NOAA's $2.96 billion in Infrastructure Law funds to address the climate crisis and strengthen coastal resilience and infrastructure. Over the next five years, NOAA’s targeted investments in the areas of habitat restoration, coastal resilience, and climate data and services will advance ongoing federal efforts toward building climate resilience.

Looks like they're getting plenty of media support for their "efforts"

Draw your own conclusions, but IMHO it appears that reporting temps as heat indices, issuing heat advisories when it is actually cooler than last year, and Good Morning America's lead story every day on the weather serves to push the continuing false narrative of "global warming", for which a few figure to profit immensely.

Addendum: This morning's GMA story is about a glacier they hunted for that is melting at an "unprecedented" rate. Probably true, but there are other glaciers that are growing. And in another 40,000 years those glaciers will grow 2 miles of ice over much of the Northern Hemisphere.

Speaking of NOAA's multibillion dollar efforts to strengthen coastal resilience and infrastructure, does anybody think it's odd that two of the biggest proponents of climate change and rising sea levels due to melting glaciers, etc.--Barack and Michelle Obama--spent nearly $12 million on an estate on Martha's Vineyard that is maybe 3 feet above sea level?

[stargirl]

I agree, the “heat index” is some ridiculous made up number. If it actually felt like what they say it felt like no one would go outside. Yesterday it said the heat index was 114. I played tennis and was fine, if it actually felt like 114 we would have all had a heat stroke!

[Keefelane66]

Originally Posted by Steve

Speaking of NOAA's multibillion dollar efforts to strengthen coastal resilience and infrastructure, does anybody think it's odd that two of the biggest proponents of climate change and rising sea levels due to melting glaciers, etc.--Barack and Michelle Obama--spent nearly $12 million on an estate on Martha's Vineyard that is maybe 3 feet above sea level?

WRONG

Coordinates
41.3742, -71.7744

50 feet above sea level

[conman5652@aol.com]

It’s amazing that u made all this degrees per day. Only heat advisory is a combination of humidity and degrees for day. Some people just can’t understand or care about their grandchildren lives

[kkingston57]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I generally watch WFTV (ABC affiliate) in the morning for local news and weather. I have no idea about other stations, but for the last 2 weeks they have been pushing harder than ever their narrative of high temperatures. This morning they claimed that we have substantially higher temps than normal, and used the terms "unprecedented", and "dangerous". What is insidious is their use of "heat index" almost to the exclusion of actual temperatures so they can put triple number digits on their map. No comparison of these "heat indices" with past values are given.

OK, actual high temps in the Villages 7/27-8/3----94,96,95,96,96,98,96 avg 95.86
Oh, wait a minute, that was LAST year
This year, same dates---89,90,96,97,91,95,93 avg 93.00 or 2.86 deg COOLER
This is what the weatherman claimed is "substantially higher than usual". So I'm calling BS on that.
I can only assume that the news media has access to more complete temperature data than those numbers I just pulled off the accuweather website, so clearly they are LYING TO US. Why???? Is there an agenda at work here?

Meanwhile, pretty much all of Central Florida is under a heat advisory, which the weatherman stated was unusual. True, there was no heat advisory this time last year when it was 2.86 degrees WARMER. So why is that?

Well, heat advisories are issued by the National Weather Service, a division of NOAA which falls under the Department of Commerce, lead by a cabinet level secretary.
So, here is what they are doing:
"Today, U.S. Commerce Secretary Gina M. Raimondo announced funding opportunities from NOAA's $2.96 billion in Infrastructure Law funds to address the climate crisis and strengthen coastal resilience and infrastructure. Over the next five years, NOAA’s targeted investments in the areas of habitat restoration, coastal resilience, and climate data and services will advance ongoing federal efforts toward building climate resilience.

Looks like they're getting plenty of media support for their "efforts"

Draw your own conclusions, but IMHO it appears that reporting temps as heat indices, issuing heat advisories when it is actually cooler than last year, and Good Morning America's lead story every day on the weather serves to push the continuing false narrative of "global warming", for which a few figure to profit immensely.

Addendum: This morning's GMA story is about a glacier they hunted for that is melting at an "unprecedented" rate. Probably true, but there are other glaciers that are growing. And in another 40,000 years those glaciers will grow 2 miles of ice over much of the Northern Hemisphere.

Can't argue that the coral in the Florida Keys is now turning white due to high(actual temp around 100 F) in the water. Personally watch WESH. They report temps.

[kkingston57]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Who knows? It's possible. But it will probably take another 65 million years. Meanwhile, the anthropogenic climate change advocates with their agenda (which generally translates to $$$) want to convince you that our grandchildren will die from the heat. (After all, cashing in on this false narrative in 65 million years is not what they are aiming for)

Maybe it is a conspiracy to keep people out of Florida. HA HA. Lived in Florida entire life and went away for 2 months. One day over 90. Quite refreshing.

[Regorp]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I generally watch WFTV (ABC affiliate) in the morning for local news and weather. I have no idea about other stations, but for the last 2 weeks they have been pushing harder than ever their narrative of high temperatures. This morning they claimed that we have substantially higher temps than normal, and used the terms "unprecedented", and "dangerous". What is insidious is their use of "heat index" almost to the exclusion of actual temperatures so they can put triple number digits on their map. No comparison of these "heat indices" with past values are given.

OK, actual high temps in the Villages 7/27-8/3----94,96,95,96,96,98,96 avg 95.86
Oh, wait a minute, that was LAST year
This year, same dates---89,90,96,97,91,95,93 avg 93.00 or 2.86 deg COOLER
This is what the weatherman claimed is "substantially higher than usual". So I'm calling BS on that.
I can only assume that the news media has access to more complete temperature data than those numbers I just pulled off the accuweather website, so clearly they are LYING TO US. Why???? Is there an agenda at work here?

Meanwhile, pretty much all of Central Florida is under a heat advisory, which the weatherman stated was unusual. True, there was no heat advisory this time last year when it was 2.86 degrees WARMER. So why is that?

Well, heat advisories are issued by the National Weather Service, a division of NOAA which falls under the Department of Commerce, lead by a cabinet level secretary.
So, here is what they are doing:
"Today, U.S. Commerce Secretary Gina M. Raimondo announced funding opportunities from NOAA's $2.96 billion in Infrastructure Law funds to address the climate crisis and strengthen coastal resilience and infrastructure. Over the next five years, NOAA’s targeted investments in the areas of habitat restoration, coastal resilience, and climate data and services will advance ongoing federal efforts toward building climate resilience.

Looks like they're getting plenty of media support for their "efforts"

Draw your own conclusions, but IMHO it appears that reporting temps as heat indices, issuing heat advisories when it is actually cooler than last year, and Good Morning America's lead story every day on the weather serves to push the continuing false narrative of "global warming", for which a few figure to profit immensely.

Addendum: This morning's GMA story is about a glacier they hunted for that is melting at an "unprecedented" rate. Probably true, but there are other glaciers that are growing. And in another 40,000 years those glaciers will grow 2 miles of ice over much of the Northern Hemisphere.

Our planet is older than a billion years, so climate change happens constantly thru millions of years. As The Grass Roots sang I'd Wait A Million Years to see it happen again. The Earth has cycles and this is one of them.

[The Chipster]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I generally watch WFTV (ABC affiliate) in the morning for local news and weather. I have no idea about other stations, but for the last 2 weeks they have been pushing harder than ever their narrative of high temperatures. This morning they claimed that we have substantially higher temps than normal, and used the terms "unprecedented", and "dangerous". What is insidious is their use of "heat index" almost to the exclusion of actual temperatures so they can put triple number digits on their map. No comparison of these "heat indices" with past values are given.




OK, actual high temps in the Villages 7/27-8/3----94,96,95,96,96,98,96 avg 95.86
Oh, wait a minute, that was LAST year
This year, same dates---89,90,96,97,91,95,93 avg 93.00 or 2.86 deg COOLER
This is what the weatherman claimed is "substantially higher than usual". So I'm calling BS on that.
I can only assume that the news media has access to more complete temperature data than those numbers I just pulled off the accuweather website, so clearly they are LYING TO US. Why???? Is there an agenda at work here?

Meanwhile, pretty much all of Central Florida is under a heat advisory, which the weatherman stated was unusual. True, there was no heat advisory this time last year when it was 2.86 degrees WARMER. So why is that?

Well, heat advisories are issued by the National Weather Service, a division of NOAA which falls under the Department of Commerce, lead by a cabinet level secretary.
So, here is what they are doing:
"Today, U.S. Commerce Secretary Gina M. Raimondo announced funding opportunities from NOAA's $2.96 billion in Infrastructure Law funds to address the climate crisis and strengthen coastal resilience and infrastructure. Over the next five years, NOAA’s targeted investments in the areas of habitat restoration, coastal resilience, and climate data and services will advance ongoing federal efforts toward building climate resilience.

Looks like they're getting plenty of media support for their "efforts"

Draw your own conclusions, but IMHO it appears that reporting temps as heat indices, issuing heat advisories when it is actually cooler than last year, and Good Morning America's lead story every day on the weather serves to push the continuing false narrative of "global warming", for which a few figure to profit immensely.

Addendum: This morning's GMA story is about a glacier they hunted for that is melting at an "unprecedented" rate. Probably true, but there are other glaciers that are growing. And in another 40,000 years those glaciers will grow 2 miles of ice over much of the Northern Hemisphere.

At the end of 1850 (roughly the beginning of the Industrial Revolution), the area containing the Glacier National Park had 150 glaciers. There are 25 active glaciers remaining in the park as of 2022. That's really all you need to know about climate change.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by kkingston57

Can't argue that the coral in the Florida Keys is now turning white due to high(actual temp around 100 F) in the water. Personally watch WESH. They report temps.

Yes, and today's ocean temp is 82 degrees. Does anyone, and I mean anyone with half a brain actually believe that the Atlantic Ocean, 20,000 feet deep in places, 22 QUINTILLION gallons of water, constantly churning with wave after wave coming ashore has a temp of 101.1, yet your 4 foot deep 12,000 gallon pool what just sits in the sun has a temp of 88????

GMAs opening story last week was that bogus temp of 101. The reporter was standing on the beach in Key Largo telling us that the ocean temp was "reported" as 101.1. Reported by whom???? When? After letting the thermometer lay in 1 inch of water under the noon sun for an hour?????

Now I can pretty much guarantee, given the media bent on global warming, that if that ocean temp was really 101, the reporter would be putting a thermometer in the water to show the world that the ocean temp was 101. Why didn't he? This report was nothing but an outright lie. The only place where water temp can get that high is right above an undersea thermal vent. And yet there are people who actual believed this nonsense.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by stargirl

I agree, the “heat index” is some ridiculous made up number. If it actually felt like what they say it felt like no one would go outside. Yesterday it said the heat index was 114. I played tennis and was fine, if it actually felt like 114 we would have all had a heat stroke!

Agree.

My wife played tennis yesterday too, 10:00 AM. She plays in a group every Monday and Thursday. Yesterday, warm but not overpoweringly so. While she was gone I cut the lawn, trimmed the hedges, edged, etc. She got home (early afternoon) and the outside temp read something like 98 degrees. She said we were in a "heat advisory".

I wonder: if we had known that BEFORE we did our respective outdoor things, would we have felt hotter?

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by The Chipster

At the end of 1850 (roughly the beginning of the Industrial Revolution), the area containing the Glacier National Park had 150 glaciers. There are 25 active glaciers remaining in the park as of 2022. That's really all you need to know about climate change.

Seriously???? You have to be joking, at least I hope so. If not, that post is absolutely classic "post hoc ergo propter hoc"---which translates to "after this therefore because of this"---it is the battle cry of all those with faulty cause and effect reasoning. After all, I ate bacon and eggs for breakfast this morning, and shortly afterwards there was an accident on I75. Therefore my breakfast choice caused the accident. Get real.

That's all you really need to know about irrational causation.

[Taltarzac725]

Urgent effort underway to save coral reefs from rising ocean temperatures off Florida Keys - CBS News

And then there are the coral reefs.

[JP]

I remember the 1970's and the climate crazies were saying that if we hadn't "created" an artificial heat dome from CO2 emissions we would be in an ice age and a big hurt locker. Really, nobody knows what causes climate change. We have been lucky for about 200 years to have been in a relatively stable climate. Times change, climate changes.