[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Whitley

The industrial revolution is a problem?

You didn't know that?

We built machines, that ran on coal and oil, and put out so called "greenhouse gases" for the last 150-200 years. So now, according to some, the world is going to end in our grandchildren's lifetime. And our influence, our "evil", will destroy the world by overriding millions and millions of years of climate cycles driven by the power of the sun, the Earth's orbit and variations in its axis. And all this is because you bought the latest SUV. Amazing, isn't it????

So let's all go back to living in caves in the dark and hunting our food with a bow and arrow. We will be "saving" the planet

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Ahhh, but they claim the statement is only PARTLY FALSE. The decimal point was in the wrong place, BUT it still shows some cooling, even if not as much as stated. AND there is no absolute proof that suggests that it is mankind's cause that any change has occurred.

Actually, it DOES ! Go to the link on post # 2 and scroll down almost to the end. Then look right after the bold heading, " Climate Change measured in DECADES, not years. Look for a blue underlined sentence stated by an NOAA Climatologist that reads.........."Earth's global temperatures are RISING due to HUMAN-GENERATED greenhouse gases".

Then if anyone wants to know by how much is the global temperature RISING. The VERY FIRST sentence at the top of the link says, " Global Temperatures have been in increasing at a rate of 2 degrees Farenheight since 1880.

I believe that this link DEFINITIVELY proves that earth temperature is INCREASING and CAUSED by mankind !
(And now I can't wait to hear the rebuttals to the expert by our very own non-experts)

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by sounding

Yes it is possible -- for those who are willing to look at the data -- which is why the Weather Club grows in numbers after each session.

Of course!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

So a 7-year trend that shows cooling is more significant than a 150-year trend that shows warming but a 150-year trend that shows warming is not more significant than a 4-million year trend that shows cooling? Is it the time span that matters or the trend that matters?

I used to attend the Weather Club but stopped when it became (or I realized that it was) a platform for only a particular point of view.

I attended a Philosophy Club for a short time and found that the same thing happened. One not-so-bright man hogged all the mike time to the point that it got boring. And I had thought that a PHILOSOPHY Club would be filled with people that wanted a vibrant EXCHANGE of ideas. I was SO wrong - 90% of the people were very narrow-minded. It was surprising.
.........So, I can see how the weather club could be dominated by people with their own particular fixed agenda. That is a shame.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

The article you reference only produces more misinformation and DOES NOT discount the FACT that the earth has been in a 7-year cooling trend. Just click on the NOAA Temperature link which that article provides, and look at the temperature DATA (and not the narrative) -- and be sure you look at the "Annual" data (not just one particular month). Then plot the temperature data from 2015 to 2021, then add a linear trend line -- and behold reality. I plot this data monthly, both NOAA and and Satellite data (both government data) -- and they both show the same cooling trend. Scientists worldwide are analyzing the same, with the same results -- but the media refuses to acknowledge DATA -- because data always exposes propaganda. You'll will also see that this cooling trend will become an 8-year cooling trend by Dec 31st, because the 2022 data also shows cooling -- which is part of the reason why hurricanes have dramatically dropped during the last 2 years. This and much more DATA is presented in the Weather Club.

The size, power, and devastation of hurricanes have increased for the last 8 years, and since Climatologists predict that the Earth will continue warming for the NEXT 30 years.....it is reasonable to assume that hurricanes will get more devastating with each passing year. And that will make living in Florida especially tough. At least we are not on the coast
........If we could live another 100 years we might be living on the southern tip of Florida (without moving).

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

Yes, times scales are very important with respect climate, because there are many concurrent cycles which contribute to the earth's climate -- from millions of years to tens of years -- some are in a warming cycle while others are in a cooling cycle -- all sun driven. When taking the summation of all the cycles to the present -- you get the resultant -- which during the last 7 years shows cooling -- and soon to be an 8-year cooling trend. I have no doubt this trend will warm again in the future -- just like it has for millions of years. But isn't it curious that for the past 7 years, glacier data is being withheld, active volcanoes under both the north and south poles are rarely mentioned, record breaking coral growth is rarely mentioned, and the list goes on and on -- but the most telling story is why all this cooling is happening and yet CO2 keeps skyrocketing upwards. Again, the Weather Club presents relevant, government data that you will not hear in the media -- and the attendees can form their own views.

Coral reefs will be 90 % DEAD by 2090. Today they are unhealthful and DYING.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Love2Swim

Thank you. Some common sense on this thread for a change. And for what its worth, NASA says the earth is not cooling. Despite short-term ups and downs, the evidence shows that our planet is steadily accumulating heat. And what scientists have found is that the balance of energy in the Earth system is out of whack: Our lower atmosphere is warming, the ocean is accumulating more energy, land surfaces are absorbing energy, and Earth’s ice is melting. I believe in the scientists, not some Villages club that clearly has an agenda.

Clearly !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Actually, it DOES ! Go to the link on post # 2 and scroll down almost to the end. Then look right after the bold heading, " Climate Change measured in DECADES, not years. Look for a blue underlined sentence stated by an NOAA Climatologist that reads.........."Earth's global temperatures are RISING due to HUMAN-GENERATED greenhouse gases".

Then if anyone wants to know by how much is the global temperature RISING. The VERY FIRST sentence at the top of the link says, " Global Temperatures have been in increasing at a rate of 2 degrees Farenheight since 1880.

I believe that this link DEFINITIVELY proves that earth temperature is INCREASING and CAUSED by mankind !
(And now I can't wait to hear the rebuttals to the expert by our very own non-experts)

And for your first rebuttal:

Is that 2 degrees/year????? That would make it about 371F today-----But I'll only go out for 12 minutes so I'm medium rare.

2 degrees/ decade????---that would only make it 115.2 today

2 degrees/century?????-- maybe, but even that's high

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

Thanks for identifying how science becomes corrupted -- by voting. Voting is not used in the Weather Club -- only data -- and how data confirms or rejects theories. Voting is used in politics to create consensus, which of course is not how science works. As Einstein said, "Genius abhors consensus, because when consensus is reached, thinking stops."

There is nothing wrong with consensus. It represents only one point on a timeline. As long as scientific research continues, a new consensus can be reached. People just need to be open to that new consensus.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

There is nothing wrong with consensus. It represents only one point on a timeline. As long as scientific research continues, a new consensus can be reached. People just need to be open to that new consensus.

Studied this Philosopher of Science in college. Worth a look if you have not read anything by him. Thomas Kuhn - Wikipedia

He has a lot of critics out there as well.

The Structure of Scientific Revolutions - Wikipedia

One of the people who taught one of these classes was a Physics professor specializing in the weather. It was taught by three professors-- one in Philosophy, one in History and one in Physics.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Whitley

The industrial revolution is a problem?

Everything has pluses and minuses, even the industrial revolution. Which delivered a lot of wealth and products to the middle class. But, also delivered pollution, possible overpopulation, and weapons of mass destruction. Also the capacity for a greater spread of disease and Pandemics.
.........And it delivered the subject that we are now talking about..........namely Global Warming and glaciers melting.

[sounding]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

There is nothing wrong with consensus. It represents only one point on a timeline. As long as scientific research continues, a new consensus can be reached. People just need to be open to that new consensus.

How much did "man-made" CO2 warm the earth last year?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

And for your first rebuttal:

Is that 2 degrees/year????? That would make it about 371F today-----But I'll only go out for 12 minutes so I'm medium rare.

2 degrees/ decade????---that would only make it 115.2 today

2 degrees/century?????-- maybe, but even that's high

Sorry, NOT a good rebuttal. I quoted the article correctly - the earth's temperature increased by 2 degrees F since 1880. That is the rate that the NOAA Climatologist stated. There is nothing there about 2 degrees per year. Just a rate of 2 degrees F since 1880. That would be 2 divided by 142 which equals .014 degrees F per year.

nice try......feel free to try again!

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

You didn't know that?

We built machines, that ran on coal and oil, and put out so called "greenhouse gases" for the last 150-200 years. So now, according to some, the world is going to end in our grandchildren's lifetime. And our influence, our "evil", will destroy the world by overriding millions and millions of years of climate cycles driven by the power of the sun, the Earth's orbit and variations in its axis. And all this is because you bought the latest SUV. Amazing, isn't it????

So let's all go back to living in caves in the dark and hunting our food with a bow and arrow. We will be "saving" the planet

Not ,evil". Lack of knowledge, education, understanding of the poisons and pollutants we unleashed upon the world. Not "evil". Just ignorant of the interdependence of all things. Like kids with new toys, no one told us of the harm our toys could do, so we went blindly on our way tearing down the land and polluting our rivers and oceans. Finally, one smart kid sees the smog, sees pollutants in the oceans and connects the dots. Other kids are to oblivious and can't connect the dots. Others are afraid that they are going to have to give up some of their favorite toys, so they balk at what the emerging picture shows. But, little by little, the picture becomes clear enough that all must acknowledge the big picture, whether they like it or not.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

How much did "man-made" CO2 warm the earth last year?

I calculated it to be 0.014 degrees F per year from the NOAA Climatologist.