[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Interestingly, this kind of statement even though relatively crude can be thought of under the general term - logical fallacy. And specifically it can be called a Red Herring, which is a term for a misdirection in a DEBATE, similar to a smokescreen. Also interesting are - the Strawman fallacy, the Slippery Slope fallacy, the Begging the Question fallacy, and the Post Hoc fallacy.
..........that post also proves that what I said, "The graph of world temperature increases for the last 30 years can NOT be REFUTED in any way" !!!!!!!

With all due respect...who is arguing that overall global temperatures have NOT increased over the past 30 years?

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

Cat toys!

Thought you knew that.

I wonder if bogmonster knows that? Interesting that he/she didn't answer? 🤔🤔🤔

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

With all due respect...who is arguing that overall global temperatures have NOT increased over the past 30 years?

There were some early on, when the subject first appeared on TOTV. Most, if not all, seem to have come at least this far.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

With all due respect...who is arguing that overall global temperatures have NOT increased over the past 30 years?

And I respect your post and that question. I believe that a lot of people are NOT aware of the rapid increase in world temperatures (Climate Change) in the last 15 or so years. This year 2024 is on schedule to be the absolutely HOTTEST WORLDWIDE since they have been keeping those records. I have read posts by TOTV"ers that say, "I don't notice ANY difference in temperature and I have live here for 10 years". I have seen at least 5 like that on TOTV. I would call these people "The UNAWARES" - THEY DON'T even KNOW that in Alaska and Russia that the tundra permafrost has melted and (possibly) exposed new diseases that humans have no defenses for - and they don't CARE.
.........Then there are "The AWARE people" in The Villages that know the temperatures around the world and HERE are HOTTER, but they have a problem with calling it MAN-MADE. They search and search for some esoteric non-man-made reason for the HEAT (maybe they are PAID secret agents of the US big 3 automobile manufacturers that want to hide the fact that the Higher temperatures are caused by gasoline consuming Golf carts, and automobiles and also industrial exhaust gas pollution.) That is unlikely, but they post things like there is a wobble in the earth's axis that causes more HEAT from the sun to hit the earth. Some say the sun's orbit is to blame. Some say that the Tonga eruption HEATS the upper atmosphere and thus the whole Earth. They basically want to say that it is NOT possible for MANKIND to affect something as large as the Earth.
.......Then there is the oil and gas industry that has a vested interest in gasoline driven automobiles. They managed to get the public to believe that Al Gore was a raving lunatic.
......Basically, many people on TOTV want to ignore the RECORD World HEAT that has been RAPIDLY increasing in the last 30 years and more rapidly in the last 5 years.And MANY OTHERS do not want to believe that it is MAN-MADE Global Warming.

[JD Tremor]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

And I respect your post and that question. I believe that a lot of people are NOT aware of the rapid increase in world temperatures (Climate Change) in the last 15 or so years. This year 2024 is on schedule to be the absolutely HOTTEST WORLDWIDE since they have been keeping those records. I have read posts by TOTV"ers that say, "I don't notice ANY difference in temperature and I have live here for 10 years". I have seen at least 5 like that on TOTV. I would call these people "The UNAWARES" - THEY DON'T even KNOW that in Alaska and Russia that the tundra permafrost has melted and (possibly) exposed new diseases that humans have no defenses for - and they don't CARE.
.........Then there are "The AWARE people" in The Villages that know the temperatures around the world and HERE are HOTTER, but they have a problem with calling it MAN-MADE. They search and search for some esoteric non-man-made reason for the HEAT (maybe they are PAID secret agents of the US big 3 automobile manufacturers that want to hide the fact that the Higher temperatures are caused by gasoline consuming Golf carts, and automobiles and also industrial exhaust gas pollution.) That is unlikely, but they post things like there is a wobble in the earth's axis that causes more HEAT from the sun to hit the earth. Some say the sun's orbit is to blame. Some say that the Tonga eruption HEATS the upper atmosphere and thus the whole Earth. They basically want to say that it is NOT possible for MANKIND to affect something as large as the Earth.
.......Then there is the oil and gas industry that has a vested interest in gasoline driven automobiles. They managed to get the public to believe that Al Gore was a raving lunatic.
......Basically, many people on TOTV want to ignore the RECORD World HEAT that has been RAPIDLY increasing in the last 30 years and more rapidly in the last 5 years.And MANY OTHERS do not want to believe that it is MAN-MADE Global Warming.

And yet, those that believe ICE vehicles are the problem continue to drive them. Hmmm

[Pairadocs]

Originally Posted by AZ SLIM

This article came out yesterday. It's fairly long report on why their forecasts are turning out to be wrong again this year. Hurricane experts now predict below-normal activity into September'''s season peak | Fox Weather

Ah, but it's an attention grabber, it gets the "clicks" and that's all that matters. BTW, 50% chance of rain, snow, hail, clouds, winds, and....hurricane...LOL !

[FloridaGuy66]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

The point is that certain powers have an agenda to make TRILLIONS off the backs of our citizens, and the media is either actively or tacitly complicit in pushing this false narrative by forecasting imminent doom via predictions of more frequent and devastating hurricanes and daily reports of "heat indices" vs. the actual temperatures.

So in 2023, when they predicted less storms than normal, that was part of the same "government conspiracy"?

Would LOVE to know what people or organizations are making trillions off of unfavorable weather predictions? That would be 4% of the US GDP. It would be pretty hard to hide that much money.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by JD Tremor

And yet, those that believe ICE vehicles are the problem continue to drive them. Hmmm

Do as I say not as I do. Have asked him that question a number of times, never getting any answer.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by FloridaGuy66

So in 2023, when they predicted less storms than normal, that was part of the same "government conspiracy"?

Would LOVE to know what people or organizations are making trillions off of unfavorable weather predictions? That would be 4% of the US GDP. It would be pretty hard to hide that much money.

Nothing to do with hurricane forecasts. Has to do with pushing the false narrative of anthropogenic global warming so we spend $168 TRILLION to "combat" it. Who is driving the narrative----billionaires with old money--Soros, Bilderberg group, international arms dealers--you pick

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by JD Tremor

And yet, those that believe ICE vehicles are the problem continue to drive them. Hmmm

It takes awhile to make large scale changes in society. The gas and oil industry pays big money in Washington to keep the status quo. Electric vehicles (which have superior qualities like less maintenance) will have to have improved design for car and batteries BEFORE achieving POPULAR support.That is why the government must FIGHT the oil and gas companies and emphasize E-vehicles.

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

It takes awhile to make large scale changes in society. The gas and oil industry pays big money in Washington to keep the status quo. Electric vehicles (which have superior qualities like less maintenance) will have to have improved design for car and batteries BEFORE achieving POPULAR support.That is why the government must FIGHT the oil and gas companies and emphasize E-vehicles.

Maybe, but that doesn't explain why you don't drive one. I drive a Tesla. Why don't you?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Nothing to do with hurricane forecasts. Has to do with pushing the false narrative of anthropogenic global warming so we spend $168 TRILLION to "combat" it. Who is driving the narrative----billionaires with old money--Soros, Bilderberg group, international arms dealers--you pick

Every year in recent history (30 yrs) the Earth gets WARMER. That is WAY beyond the control of any one person like Soros.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Every year in recent history (30 yrs) the Earth gets WARMER. That is WAY beyond the control of any one person like Soros.

Every year? Not one year where the average temps were a bit cooler? Even a little bit?

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by JD Tremor

And yet, those that believe ICE vehicles are the problem continue to drive them. Hmmm

I'm one of those that still drive my old, paid for small ice powered car. Rather than spend 30 to 50k for battery power, I have chosen to change my habits. One was to eliminate driving of dirty diesel motor home 40+k miles per year at 7-10 mpg. Eliminate the tow vehicle usage of @10k miles per year. Dw and I get @30 mpg and drive less than 10k miles per year now. Our fuel bill is @10% of what it was. While I believe e vehicles are currently the best choice for most applications, I am aware of new and better options that I believe may be available in the not too distant future. Dw and I also do other things that are more eco-friendly as opportunities arise. We are not completely fossil fuel free, but we are 90+% there. Our traveling days are over.
Does that answer your "Hmmm?" Just because I still use my ice car does not blind me to the damage they do.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Pugchief

Maybe, but that doesn't explain why you don't drive one. I drive a Tesla. Why don't you?

Not everyone is in a position to always do what they would like to do. Consider yourself one of the fortunate ones.