[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

What you describe is NOT supported by data. But let's look at each claim one at a time ... please show me a graph which shows hurricane intensity is increasing.

OK not too challenging......all I had to do was Google increased hurricane activity. And I found ......James P. Kossin, a researcher for the US National Oceanic and Atmosphere Administration used satellite images from 1980 to determine that WARMING has increased the intensity of hurricanes by 8% per decade.
........Kerry Emanuel, a hurricane expert at MIT agrees with Mr. Kossin's findings.
.......There were many other expert statements on this issue.

It is only intuitively logical that if Globally the last 8 years have had the highest recorded temperatures in that kind of scientific recordings .......that hurricanes would increase in INTENSITY. We know that recently the Gulf reached record temperatures of around 90 degrees. If global temps were to get cooler for the next 8 years, then one might expect hurricane intensity to drop down. But that is not what is predicted to happen.
.........Basically, I am only a messenger, relaying what I read and see on TV.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

OK not too challenging......all I had to do was Google increased hurricane activity. And I found ......James P. Kossin, a researcher for the US National Oceanic and Atmosphere Administration used satellite images from 1980 to determine that WARMING has increased the intensity of hurricanes by 8% per decade.
........Kerry Emanuel, a hurricane expert at MIT agrees with Mr. Kossin's findings.
.......There were many other expert statements on this issue.

It is only intuitively logical that if Globally the last 8 years have had the highest recorded temperatures in that kind of scientific recordings .......that hurricanes would increase in INTENSITY. We know that recently the Gulf reached record temperatures of around 90 degrees. If global temps were to get cooler for the next 8 years, then one might expect hurricane intensity to drop down. But that is not what is predicted to happen.
.........Basically, I am only a messenger, relaying what I read and see on TV.

I agree with one thing-----this isn't too challenging.
Unfortunately, the climate change advocates just don't get it, they just go on and on repeating the same fallacious arguments.
So, here's one employing the same logic----today and tomorrow are the coldest Oct 19th and 20th in the last 8 years---so therefore we must be heading into an imminent ice age
Let's spend $100 trillion on parkas and snowshoes

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I agree with one thing-----this isn't too challenging.
Unfortunately, the climate change advocates just don't get it, they just go on and on repeating the same fallacious arguments.
So, here's one employing the same logic----today and tomorrow are the coldest Oct 19th and 20th in the last 8 years---so therefore we must be heading into an imminent ice age
Let's spend $100 trillion on parkas and snowshoes

I understand that you don't have the same OPINION as I do about climate change in the near term (100 years or less). If we both live another 10 years, then if man's influence on Climate is NOT REAL (as you opinionate) then Florida will NOT have had any more INCREASINGLY powerful damaging hurricanes stronger than IAN. In which case I will publically apologize to you and state that YOUR OPINION was the correct one. But conversely, if Miami is in danger of going UNDERWATER and is becoming depopulated, then MY OPINION was correct.

I will not be hurt in the least, because I HOPE that YOU are RIGHT. I enjoy living in Florida and hope that it does NOT experience any CHANGE for the worse. I am actually much MORE concerned about POPULATION CHANGE in the US and the world because that is the FATHER of Global Climate Change. But, I notice that no one on TV is willing to talk directly about that subject.
.........I value your opinions to the extent that I read your posts with the most open mind that I can summon.

[sounding]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

OK not too challenging......all I had to do was Google increased hurricane activity. And I found ......James P. Kossin, a researcher for the US National Oceanic and Atmosphere Administration used satellite images from 1980 to determine that WARMING has increased the intensity of hurricanes by 8% per decade.
........Kerry Emanuel, a hurricane expert at MIT agrees with Mr. Kossin's findings.
.......There were many other expert statements on this issue.

It is only intuitively logical that if Globally the last 8 years have had the highest recorded temperatures in that kind of scientific recordings .......that hurricanes would increase in INTENSITY. We know that recently the Gulf reached record temperatures of around 90 degrees. If global temps were to get cooler for the next 8 years, then one might expect hurricane intensity to drop down. But that is not what is predicted to happen.
.........Basically, I am only a messenger, relaying what I read and see on TV.

First of all, intuitively does not prove anything, Second, you did NOT provide data of increasing hurricane intensity -- only a Narrative, which anyone can say. Talk is cheap -- data is gold. Both will be shown at tomorrow's presentation (1:30 PM at Bridgeport, Oct 20). Google is the last place to obtain valid information about climate change as they are in cahoots with the United Nations ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRR9AMum9A0
Anyone who says they own the "science" is someone who wants to be King of the Hill and wants you to stop thinking for yourself. More importantly Richard Feynman, who was probably the smartest scientist after Einstein said, "Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts." Feynman won the Nobel Prize in Physics, he won the Einstein Award, he help develop the A-bomb, and he solved the O-ring Challenger disaster problem, and much more. Anyone who calls himself an "expert" is most likely trying to fool you -- unless that person has a verifiable track record in that field of expertise and/or can present solid, peer-reviewed, data.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

OK not too challenging......all I had to do was Google increased hurricane activity. And I found ......James P. Kossin, a researcher for the US National Oceanic and Atmosphere Administration used satellite images from 1980 to determine that WARMING has increased the intensity of hurricanes by 8% per decade.
........Kerry Emanuel, a hurricane expert at MIT agrees with Mr. Kossin's findings.
.......There were many other expert statements on this issue.

It is only intuitively logical that if Globally the last 8 years have had the highest recorded temperatures in that kind of scientific recordings .......that hurricanes would increase in INTENSITY. We know that recently the Gulf reached record temperatures of around 90 degrees. If global temps were to get cooler for the next 8 years, then one might expect hurricane intensity to drop down. But that is not what is predicted to happen.
.........Basically, I am only a messenger, relaying what I read and see on TV.

Is it possible that Mr. Kossin discovered that hurricane intensity has increased by 8% per decade (I'd like to see his research; just how many decades are covered, all hurricanes or just that made landfall, are tropical storms included, etc. etc.) and just attributed that increase to global warming? Correlation does not prove causation.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I agree with one thing-----this isn't too challenging.
Unfortunately, the climate change advocates just don't get it, they just go on and on repeating the same fallacious arguments.
So, here's one employing the same logic----today and tomorrow are the coldest Oct 19th and 20th in the last 8 years---so therefore we must be heading into an imminent ice age
Let's spend $100 trillion on parkas and snowshoes

Oh, and I forgot. That logic that was mentioned does not seem to me to be the "same". 2 cold days in Oct. do not seem the same as a TREND of the recent 8 year's record warming. And I believe that this year's June or July set a record for the US. Also, the Gulf water temperature was a record. The logic is NOT the same because my examples are indicative of trends and 2 cold days in Oct are merely data points. But they are interesting. And nice days to put a sweatshirt on.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

First of all, intuitively does not prove anything, Second, you did NOT provide data of increasing hurricane intensity -- only a Narrative, which anyone can say. Talk is cheap -- data is gold. Both will be shown at tomorrow's presentation (1:30 PM at Bridgeport, Oct 20). Google is the last place to obtain valid information about climate change as they are in cahoots with the United Nations ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRR9AMum9A0
Anyone who says they own the "science" is someone who wants to be King of the Hill and wants you to stop thinking for yourself. More importantly Richard Feynman, who was probably the smartest scientist after Einstein said, "Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts." Feynman won the Nobel Prize in Physics, he won the Einstein Award, he help develop the A-bomb, and he solved the O-ring Challenger disaster problem, and much more. Anyone who calls himself an "expert" is most likely trying to fool you -- unless that person has a verifiable track record in that field of expertise and/or can present solid, peer-reviewed, data.

OK...."data is gold" and I did not provide ANY DATA. That's intuitively true because I am NOT a PAID hurricane expert. I did provide 2 names of EXPERT researchers that have collected DATA about hurricanes and got paid to do so using satellite images from 1980. Just write to them and request their data.
......I did my best to answer your request!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

Is it possible that Mr. Kossin discovered that hurricane intensity has increased by 8% per decade (I'd like to see his research; just how many decades are covered, all hurricanes or just that made landfall, are tropical storms included, etc. etc.) and just attributed that increase to global warming? Correlation does not prove causation.

All the decades from 1980. That would be 3 decades. I am not interested enough to write to those 2 experts. I have formed my opinion on Climate Change already. It is based on watching TV and reading articles going all the way back to Al Gore. Just general societal knowledge that I have ABSORBED through the years. .......from things like the reef coral dying. From the fact that animal populations are dropping (and human populations are increasing) From the fact that farmers from South America are traveling north to the US because their crops won't grow. The same northward migration is happening in Europe. From the fires due to excess heat in the US west. From flooding news from Pakistan.
From the fact that factory farms have eliminated the large numbers of pheasants that used to be in Nebraska.

The news is all around us and environmentally it is NOT good. I really don't need any more GRAPHS to tell me what is intuitively obvious TO ME anyway!

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Oh, and I forgot. That logic that was mentioned does not seem to me to be the "same". 2 cold days in Oct. do not seem the same as a TREND of the recent 8 year's record warming. And I believe that this year's June or July set a record for the US. Also, the Gulf water temperature was a record. The logic is NOT the same because my examples are indicative of trends and 2 cold days in Oct are merely data points. But they are interesting. And nice days to put a sweatshirt on.

Guess what?----The last 8 years is not a TREND of the last 4 million years. That's why I picked that ridiculous analogy in the first place

[Vermilion Villager]

Originally Posted by sounding

At this month's Weather Club meeting, a post-analysis and video of Hurricane Ian will precede an updated "Climate Change Calamity" presentation. It is this Thursday (Oct 20) at 1:30 PM at the Bridgeport Recreation Center. Important climate studies that are rarely seen in the media will be reviewed. These studies are published in scientific journals -- and yet the public hardly knows about them. One very important study is the $9 million NEEM Project from Greenland, which produced amazing climate change information.

Sorry.....BFRO meets at that time. We have free beer!

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by sounding

What you describe is NOT supported by data. But let's look at each claim one at a time ... please show me a graph which shows hurricane intensity is increasing.

Showing you any data that does not support your exact assertion would be denied as true and you would brand it propaganda. So it is a waste of time and energy to provide you with anything you don't want to hear.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

One hurricane does not a trend make...

And just because you continue to repeat your : "most scientists believe that man is causing climate change" fallacy, does not make it true...

Every trend begins with a single event.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

Is it possible that Mr. Kossin discovered that hurricane intensity has increased by 8% per decade (I'd like to see his research; just how many decades are covered, all hurricanes or just that made landfall, are tropical storms included, etc. etc.) and just attributed that increase to global warming? Correlation does not prove causation.

I think that you could find the research, if you really want it.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I agree with one thing-----this isn't too challenging.
Unfortunately, the climate change advocates just don't get it, they just go on and on repeating the same fallacious arguments.
So, here's one employing the same logic----today and tomorrow are the coldest Oct 19th and 20th in the last 8 years---so therefore we must be heading into an imminent ice age
Let's spend $100 trillion on parkas and snowshoes

Holding up 2 days of local weather out of 8 years of global average temperatures as a of trying to add credence to your position is ingenuous and, imo, like a verbal shell game. Chicanery.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by guitarguy

What may be good for the climate can be terrible for the environment. .. wind farms many kill birds. Solar collection farms destroy local habitat.

But not even a tiny bit as bad as oil fields, refineries, coal mines and coal and oil fired factories and power plants. Be honest. Almost anything humans do, even putting a blanket down for a picnic, negatively impacts habitat, albeit in a miniscule way. You point at the solar and wind to divert the eye from the far, far greater damages by coal and oil.