[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by LeRoySmith

I think the trouble with conversations like these is the widespread lack of trust we are experiencing. When I was a kid we trusted our teachers and schools, science, the press, elections etc.

Over the past 20 or 30 years so many of the things we thought were fact have been brought into question, some with very good evidence what we've been told is false. I don't know how or if we will ever get that trust (naivety) back. Trust lost is difficult to regain.

When we talk about climate change / global warming or any one of a thousand other topics the truth and the facts are all mixed in with the rhetoric. If the people giving us the facts are too invested in a particular outcome for them to be neutral and above question the questions come automatically.

I'd be happy to get on the climate change train as I think digging up and consuming fossil fuels is a poor long term plan. Some day, I think we will figure out a way to produce enough energy to sustain ourselves without burning oil and coal. Until that day burning fossil fuels (& nuclear) is the best option we have. Convince me you don't have a hidden agenda and maybe I'll give you a listen.

I don't think I've seen any clear evidence either way that's convincing enough for me to get on a chat/forum and tell people how wrong they are. I know what I think but I'm also very willing to admit I could be wrong in my beliefs.

Look up a graph of earth temperatures on the scale of the last 30 years. Then compare it with a graph of world population for the last 30 years. And there is the evidence needed.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

And somebody thinks all that is factual?

:1 rotfl:

Yes. I take it that you don't and think it is funny? Hmm.
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[sounding]

Originally Posted by LeRoySmith

Do you think it's a good idea for us to attend the weather club meeting?

You are welcome to survey its 458 registered members (not including spouses & friends) ... which grow after each meeting.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

The "trust" was lost when the Nobel Prize became political when it started honoring people who made failed climate forecasts and failed climate models. Trust does not come from narratives, but from data, where each person can see and think for themselves. One example will be given about Tonga Volcano & Global Warming -- Aug 26 at 1 PM at Bridgeport. Other talks are listed here ... The Villages Weather Club

The Tonga eruption has been PROVEN to NOT have a significant effect on Global temperatures . That is old outdated and disproved information.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by LeRoySmith

Do you think it's a good idea for us to attend the weather club meeting?

Either that or a scientology meeting. Depends on what cult you want to join. That's just my opinion.

[sounding]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The Tonga eruption has been PROVEN to NOT have a significant effect on Global temperatures . That is old outdated and disproved information.

Bring on JJ ... August 26 at 1 PM at Bridgeport. Bring your data -- if you have it. You may want to review this first. This video is by Javier Vinos, one of the world's leading climate analysts -- and the only one that I know of that actually made a climate change forecast that verified (unlike Al Gore) ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7GN96BUCEo

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I prefer the fish sandwich because it is better for the environment and uses less land resources. Sorry, I could not resist.

Fish sandwich? AwShuck's! That's the place!

[fdpaq0580]

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Mammoth flatulence.

Everybody knows that.

Good thing that prehistoric environmentalists hunted them to extinction!

[LeRoySmith]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Look up a graph of earth temperatures on the scale of the last 30 years. Then compare it with a graph of world population for the last 30 years. And there is the evidence needed.

This is my point exactly.

I don't know who made the temperature graph. I don't know who they work for, I don't know if I can trust the guy giving directions or setting the vision. I don't know if they altered the axis to make it look one way or another, if they included outliers, deleted only high or low outliers. I don't know if their thermometer is in the sun or includes 'feels like' temps. The weather guys in Tampa and Orlando would have us believe the temps been over a hundred multiple times this summer, why is the 'feels' temp 15or 20 deg higher than the actual temp these days? (I've got a sling psychrometer and a psychometric chart and I'm not afraid to use them!) Is it hot and humid, heck yes, but my thermometer hasn't been anywhere near that high.

I think the world population numbers are probably close but again who counted, are they missing a finger or are they like GE's cousin that has 6 fingers on each hand?

As I said in the first place, so many of the actual facts have been tarnished by a bunch of unscrupulous dirt bags lying to get clicks, votes or a paycheck.

I wanna believe but I don't.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by DrMack

I believe human beings will endure, they will just have adapt and many living near the ocean will need to relocate to more climate resilient terrain. Meanwhile the con artists will be looking for opportunities to capitalize on short sightedness selling their snake oils for the quick buck. Human nature also seems to press on.

But, the question is about OIl and Gas use and rapid world population increase. Those factors MUST be discussed in regard to this problem,.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by sounding

NONE of those graphs specify how much "man-made" CO2 warmed the earth last year. Why is that?

Your needle is skipping, again! 🤭🫢😒

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I agree. But remember, the only way these snake oil salesmen (global warming caused by human activity proponents) can cash in is by somehow making the normal global warming cycle seem to be the result of human activity, claim it is imminent rather than 30,000 years away, and convince the gullible that we can "fight" it by spending the $168 TRILLION that the Paris accords would cost. Oh, Al, I see the ice caps did not disappear in 2010.

Yesterday Texas experienced HEAT related DEATHS as RECORD temperatures of 110 degrees occurred. That is IMMINENT enough for me.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by BTburton

“Whether” you believe in climate change, which oh, BTW, we experience every day and have been since the beginning of time, OR global warming or anything else the elite, gaslighting, globalists call it, there is absolutely nothing any of us can do about it. There’s only one God, and He knows.

I would ask if GOD knows that in the last 30 years that the Earth has been heating up and WHY. But, real people can find those answers in scientific research.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Sandabern

Hush now… Don’t expect to get an answer to a specific question… That would ruin the argument… Just accept “The scientists said so…”

In other words, the people who have the most direct financial interest in this, who really have no specific data and produce continual studies that contradict each other SAID SO… Accept it, minions!!!

I won’t even bring up “50/50” Tony Fauci who basically is about as scientifically accurate in his predictions as a monkey throwing a dart at a board. And his 50/50 track record dates back long before 2019. See what he had to say about AIDS back in the day. He couldn’t keep his story straight then either… Anyway… Just don’t question the scientists… They know everything…

Tony Fauci dedicated his life for Science and medicine and people. I wish I were 1/4 as smart as he is and I probably care only 1/10 as much as he does and did for MANKIND. He is a HERO that should NEVER be made fun of. It just shows how backward we have become.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Just a thought here. Maybe the focus on Co2 is missing the bigger picture of what/how the co2 mixes with and effects all the other components contributing to higher temps. Like one ingredient in a complicated recipe. No one thing is responsible for Global Warming.

I agree, but if I had to condense it down - I would say that increased world population produces more CO2.