[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

It is NOT positive that animal and plant species are dying due to Global Warming. Last summers KILLER hurricanes hitting Florida were NOT very positive. It is NOT positive that there is very little monetary encouragement to buy an E-vehicle even though American car manufacturers see a large NEED by 2030.

NEED?

You spelled "BEING FORCED TO MANUFACTURE" wrong...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Well, truth be told there is a device that reduces pollution drastically..........it is called an E-vehicle or E-bike. Buy one and BE THE CHANGE needed!

You first...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Well, it was a record amount. It has been record HEAT all over the globe for the last 8 years. And the predictions are to continue increasing for as many as 30 years into the future. The only hope is for governments to support the purchasing of E- vehicles and bicycles.
........Don't take my word - verify it with the book "The New Climate War" by climatologist Dr. Michael Mann of the U. of Pennsylvania.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

That is quite possibly true, but there are many other FACTS that show the last 8 years warming at record levels. Also, look at the record temperature of the Gulf of Mexico set last year. And we have continuing ocean level rising, which is a RECORDED FACT and can't even be denied at some monthly meeting of climate skeptics.
.........Also, we have recorded increased CO2 levels in the ocean and coral reef bleaching and kills. Also, we have recorded increases in CO2 in the world's upper atmosphere which is radiating heat back to the earth's surface. And we have animal species destruction and extinction at a record level. And the ash tree that was once (100 years ago) the favorite tree lining a city's streets.......is now being eaten by beetles and falling down in snow storms everywhere up north, approaching extinction.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

As a practical example - this summer in Florida is going to be a disastrous heat trap. Swelter away and pretend that it doesn't exist. It was recently 96 degrees in Hartford, Ct. That same worldwide HEAT is coming to Florida as we speak/type!

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

CO2 does become pollution when it becomes excessive as it exits the exhaust pipe of US cars and trucks and the non-catalytic converter exhaust of the grass cutting, bad driving, bad parking and speeding social outcasts hired to cut grass in the TV Land community. And the non-converter exhaust of the gazillion belching Golf Carts that pollute our local neighborhoods. We also have noise pollution AND EXHAUST POLLUTION with the gasoline weed eaters and trimmers used by the so-called lawn professionals - and their chain saws. Noise and CO2 pollution together - a perfect wedding of harmful habits, a 2-for! Breathe in those fumes........suckers - that should be a sign on their trucks.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Well, truth be told there is a device that reduces pollution drastically..........it is called an E-vehicle or E-bike. Buy one and BE THE CHANGE needed!

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

It is NOT positive that animal and plant species are dying due to Global Warming. Last summers KILLER hurricanes hitting Florida were NOT very positive. It is NOT positive that there is very little monetary encouragement to buy an E-vehicle even though American car manufacturers see a large NEED by 2030.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Well, global wealth distribution is a factor in Global Warming. 3rd world countries are producing a limited amount o CO2 pollution because, OBVIOUSLY, they can NOT afford automobiles with their infernal combustion engines. They don't pay people to cut their grass with noise and CO2-polluting engines. They use donkeys instead of polluting farm tractors. And they use row and sail boats not 100 ft long SPORT yachts.

And he's back! Playing all the hits!

[Keefelane66]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

And he's back! Playing all the hits!

It's like dueling wits of two unarmed people.

[kkingston57]

Originally Posted by sounding

If it's more unpredictable, then our weather models are getting worse -- and in some ways they are -- as the Monday talk will show. But, weather is not more extreme. What's more extreme is media alarmism and everyone is falling for it. Today's climate is mild compared to the past ...

- 1924: 148 died in a tornado outbreak.
- 1927: 500 died in a Mississippi flood.
- 1913: Death Valley temperature hit world record high of 134 F.
- 1972: Loma, Montana, had a 24-hour temperature change of 103 F.
- 1977: Measurable snow in Miami.
- There are hundreds more examples of more extreme past weather events.
- Plus, we're in a 7-year cooling trend.

Anyone can pick and choose certain events to support their beliefs. Forgot to mention major hurricanes which have hit since 1992, 26 inches of rain in Fort Lauderdale in <24 hours, 800+ inches of snow in California and Utah, drought affecting SW USA. Was in S. Florida for the measureble snow. Literally had to squint in order to see that snow.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

Doesn't matter. What matters is that there is no "man-made" climate change. If you truly believe that to be true, then tell me ... how much has "man-made" CO2 warmed the earth last year?

How much? Last year it was enough to set a record for Gulf temperatures. And enough to cause a killer hurricane Ian to hit Florida last summer.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by kkingston57

Anyone can pick and choose certain events to support their beliefs. Forgot to mention major hurricanes which have hit since 1992, 26 inches of rain in Fort Lauderdale in <24 hours, 800+ inches of snow in California and Utah, drought affecting SW USA. Was in S. Florida for the measureble snow. Literally had to squint in order to see that snow.

You mean like picking and choosing just the hurricanes that happen to make landfall?

60% of the Atlantic Hurricanes never do...

There has been no significant statistical increase in the number of hurricanes in the past 170 years...

US hurricane landfalls

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

How much? Last year it was enough to set a record for Gulf temperatures. And enough to cause a killer hurricane Ian to hit Florida last summer.

You know that "man made" CO2 caused that? Impressive...

[Fastskiguy]

[QUOTE=sounding;2208009]

Originally Posted by Fastskiguy

Absolutely, yes. Seeing is believing ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ8Ws8ZrleE

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Here's one

I guess I don't understand the graphic.

It's obvious that once the energy is in the battery, the electric car is way more efficient. But that energy has to come from somewhere and then there are losses getting it into the battery.

Of course, there are costs of getting the gas from the ground into the ICE car as well.

And the costs of manufacturing the car, battery, and disposal for both cars. Maybe some other factors I'm not aware of (probably!)

Looking at the big picture....is the electric car still "better"? I'm not trying to argue. I just think this information is critical to have before generating an opinion. Has anybody run the numbers and not fudged the hell out of them?

Joe

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Fastskiguy

I guess I don't understand the graphic.

It's obvious that once the energy is in the battery, the electric car is way more efficient. But that energy has to come from somewhere and then there are losses getting it into the battery.

Of course, there are costs of getting the gas from the ground into the ICE car as well.

And the costs of manufacturing the car, battery, and disposal for both cars. Maybe some other factors I'm not aware of (probably!)

Looking at the big picture....is the electric car still "better"? I'm not trying to argue. I just think this information is critical to have before generating an opinion. Has anybody run the numbers and not fudged the hell out of them?

Joe

The graphic shows where energy is "wasted" in both gas and electric vehicles. Some of this is the same - both types of vehicles have auxiliary electrical losses. Some of the losses are specific to the type - electric vehicles have losses in charging the battery while gas engines waste a lot of energy as heat. Overall, there are more losses in gasoline vehicles. According to the chart:

Gasoline vehicles: 12% - 30% efficient
Electric vehicles: 77% - 100% efficient

So let's say a power plant burns gasoline to make electricity. There will certainly be some loss generating that electricity and transporting it to your home. Once there, more than 77% of the energy is efficiently used for moving the vehicle and less than 23% is lost due to inefficiencies.

In order for the two vehicles to be equivalent, in order for them to use the same amount of gasoline, the gasoline powered electrical plant would need to be only 30% efficient. I don't know how efficient power plants are but I assume it is more than 30%.

But let's say the power plant is only 30% efficient and the same amount of gas is used to move both electric vehicles and gas vehicles a certain distance. I know that at $3/gal my gas cart costs six times as much per mile as my electric cart. Does this mean the electric company pays only $0.50/gal for the gas it uses to generate electricity? Probably not.

If the power company can generate electricity at 1/6 the cost of gasoline then some combination of these must be true:
1. The electric company is charged less for gas than I am.
2 The electrical plants are more than 30% efficient so less gas is used to generate the electricity my electric cart requires for the same distance
3. Electricity is generated from more than just gasoline so less gas is used to generate the electricity my electric cart requires for the same distance.

I suspect it is a combination of all three but that #3 is the primary reason. But in any case, I know that running my electric cart is less expensive and if either #2 or #3 are true then I am also using less gas for that electric cart.

Automobiles are different than golf carts and I am only one person but hopefully the savings are even more in automobiles multiplied by thousands of owners.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by sounding

If it's more unpredictable, then our weather models are getting worse -- and in some ways they are -- as the Monday talk will show. But, weather is not more extreme. What's more extreme is media alarmism and everyone is falling for it. Today's climate is mild compared to the past ...

- 1924: 148 died in a tornado outbreak.
- 1927: 500 died in a Mississippi flood.
- 1913: Death Valley temperature hit world record high of 134 F.
- 1972: Loma, Montana, had a 24-hour temperature change of 103 F.
- 1977: Measurable snow in Miami.
- There are hundreds more examples of more extreme past weather events.
- Plus, we're in a 7-year cooling trend.

I was in Miami in 77 for that snow.

[sounding]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

How much? Last year it was enough to set a record for Gulf temperatures. And enough to cause a killer hurricane Ian to hit Florida last summer.

Good thing CO2 is causing hurricanes to decrease. We need more CO2.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by YeOldeCurmudgeon

Why do people denigrate scientists in an effort to ignore the reality of Climate Change? Guess it makes you feel better that you can go on living life as in the past. It is changing, gradually, but it is getting worse. All you need to do is watch the Weather Channel and stop making excuses or finding different opinions to oppose it. Organizations like NASA are composed of scientists whose life work is to study it. Are you going to believe some politician or academic with a Ph.D. in Marketing being paid to distort the truth?

Stop being irrational and listen to what the scientists are telling us.

Oh, like those "scientists" that assured us that COVID came from bats at a meat market? Science is not exact, and that is why scientists are constantly studying, researching, comparing, etc.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Exactly how are these 80% and 20% numbers arrived at. What does that even mean?

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

NEED?

You spelled "BEING FORCED TO MANUFACTURE" wrong...

No individual or company is being forced to manufacture anything. You make this sound like a slave state, which it is not. But, companies that have their eyes on the future will certainly upgrade, improve, and add to their list of offerings, as well as eliminating older, less efficient products and technology.