[sounding]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

You mean the fake data.

The government data is indeed real, even the altered temperature data.

[Keefelane66]

Originally Posted by Johncolson

Huh! 7 inches of snow in Ft. Lauderdale. Never happened. Some very quick and easy research shows the last time it snowed in Ft. Lauderdale was January of 1977. This was the first report of snow flurries in over 200 years and no reports of snow flurries have been not seen since.

Your mistaken it wasn't 7 inches of snow. According to news reports it was flurries Jan 1977 one day does not a cooling trend make unless you fudge the numbers.

[sounding]

Originally Posted by Keefelane66

Your mistaken it wasn't 7 inches of snow. According to news reports it was flurries Jan 1977 one day does not a cooling trend make unless you fudge the numbers.

Not 7 inches, and not flurries -- but it was during the Little Ice Age scare of the 60s and 70s -- which is frequently covered in the Weather Club ... Rare snow in Miami 45 years ago today | WHAM

[ithos]

[QUOTE=jimjamuser;2208054]

Originally Posted by sounding

Excess CO2 from infernal combustion engines IS definitely a pollutant. We have had 8 years of record HEAT worldwide. And ONLY E-vehicles, which are expensive right now can help us out of this serious dilemma.

And how is electricity for those E-Vehicles generated? Vast majority is from carbon fuels. Add to the massive amount of fuel consumed to mine all those rare earth materials and you probably end up creating more CO2 "pollution."

If the overlords were truly concerned about CO2 in the atmosphere, they would promote natural gas and nuclear as well as mandate every engine be a hybrid.

But of course we all know that CO2 reduction is not the objective.

[nick demis]

Originally Posted by Fastskiguy

37 billion metric tons of Co2 dumped into the atmosphere every year just can't be a good thing over time. I'm sure we can all agree on that. Give a hoot, don't pollute!

Joe

Annual CO2 emissions worldwide 1940-2021 | Statista

CO2 and pollution are 2 very different things. The stats you show have been disproven by most climatologist.

[nick demis]

Originally Posted by sounding

Not 7 inches, and not flurries -- but it was during the Little Ice Age scare of the 60s and 70s -- which is frequently covered in the Weather Club ... Rare snow in Miami 45 years ago today | WHAM

More people need to go to one of John Shewchuk's talks at the Weather Club meetings.

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Overlord dittos.

[Fastskiguy]

Originally Posted by nick demis

CO2 and pollution are 2 very different things. The stats you show have been disproven by most climatologist.

If you have a source that CO2 emissions are decreasing I would be genuinely interested in seeing it.

Joe

[Hoosierb4]

[QUOTE=ithos;2208104]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

And how is electricity for those E-Vehicles generated? Vast majority is from carbon fuels. Add to the massive amount of fuel consumed to mine all those rare earth materials and you probably end up creating more CO2 "pollution."

If the overlords were truly concerned about CO2 in the atmosphere, they would promote natural gas and nuclear as well as mandate every engine be a hybrid.

But of course we all know that CO2 reduction is not the objective.

It's not quite so simple. Considering that typical gas powered vehicles are only about 20% efficient in powering cars and that electric vehicles are near 80% efficient, the numbers favor the electric vehicles, even with today's electric generation system....and that system is getting more efficient all the time.

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by YeOldeCurmudgeon

If the Greenhouse Gas theory is correct, then we are not getting screwed by zealots.

"If" is not a very positive word.
Sort of a maybe, possibly, or could be, not an "It is," is it?

[Fastskiguy]

[QUOTE=Hoosierb4;2208148]

Originally Posted by ithos

It's not quite so simple. Considering that typical gas powered vehicles are only about 20% efficient in powering cars and that electric vehicles are near 80% efficient, the numbers favor the electric vehicles, even with today's electric generation system....and that system is getting more efficient all the time.

Going to need some sources before believing this. Can you cite them please?

Joe

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Fastskiguy

Going to need some sources before believing this. Can you cite them please?

Joe

Here's one

[Hoosierb4]

Just google gas powered vehicle efficiency vs electric vehicle efficiency and you should get plenty of sources. Another way of comparing efficiencies is to look at the cost. According to energysage.com, the cost per mile for gas is about 3 times as much as for electricity to charge yur batteries. That reflects the difference in efficiency. Again, it's not even that simple. What you correctly imply is that you need to do a "total environmental warming impact" study (TEWI). I've done a few. But, they take a lot of work and I'm retired now, so won't be doing one here.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Hoosierb4

Just google gas powered vehicle efficiency vs electric vehicle efficiency and you should get plenty of sources. Another way of comparing efficiencies is to look at the cost. According to energysage.com, the cost per mile for gas is about 3 times as much as for electricity to charge yur batteries. That reflects the difference in efficiency. Again, it's not even that simple. What you correctly imply is that you need to do a "total environmental warming impact" study (TEWI). I've done a few. But, they take a lot of work and I'm retired now, so won't be doing one here.

With $3.00/gal gas and $0.11/Kwh electricity:

Electric cart: $0.01/mile
Gas cart: $0.06/mile
Car: $0.15/mile

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

All these charts and graphs only prove whatever agenda the posters are supporting.
I do not need any chart or graph to tell me the UK weather/climate is warmer now than 80+ years ago when I was born.
Winters were bitter cold, with plenty of snow and ice.
Soft plants never stood a chance of surviving a winter.
I bring very few in now, and they get through winter mostly unscathed.
Rot due to wet is the main enemy of the gardener now.
Nature does not lie.
The only question that needs answering?
"Is the change in the Climate/Weather man made?"
Because if it isn't, we are being royally screwed by the zealots!

Of course, it is man-made. It happens every time the ignition key is turned on an infernal combustion engine in a car, truck, or golf cart.