[PersonOfInterest]

So now global warming is caused by too many people? What happened to the pollution theory? Is the current prescribed solution to limit allowable births?

I'm confused

[Byte1]

So, in a planet such as Earth where we have had constant climate change cycles forever (and before humans populated the planet) how can scientists suggest/prove that mankind is responsible for Climate Change? I do believe that mankind is partially responsible for polluting the world; partially. Are scientists attempting to prove that humans are responsible for something that happens in nature regardless of whether or not earth is populated by humans?
Someone suggested that a poster hated scientists because they get paid to study and research causes of climate change and blame it on human intervention. Speaking for myself, I have no problem with scientists getting paid. I have a problem with scientists wasting my tax dollars to prove an agenda. So far, it seems that their answer or resolution/antidote for a warming trend is for humans to change the climate. Who decides what temperature is best for what country? That is if man could really CONTROL the weather. Once they spend trillions upon trillions proving that mankind exists therefore mankind is responsible for changing our climate, then will they then spend trillions more in attempting to instruct governments in how to regulate the climate like setting a giant thermostat? Perhaps scientists will show man how to stop snow blizzards, hurricanes and tornadoes? Maybe they should first start with something simple like stopping volcanoes from erupting.
This all makes for entertaining discussion.

[sounding]

Originally Posted by jaj523

For what it's worth, just found the following article. Here is an excerpt:

"It’s official: 2023 was the planet’s warmest year on record, according to an analysis by scientists from NOAA’s National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI).

Along with the historic heat, Antarctic sea ice coverage dropped to a record low in 2023.

“After seeing the 2023 climate analysis, I have to pause and say that the findings are astounding,” said NOAA Chief Scientist Dr. Sarah Kapnick. “Not only was 2023 the warmest year in NOAA’s 174-year climate record — it was the warmest by far. A warming planet means we need to be prepared for the impacts of climate change that are happening here and now, like extreme weather events that become both more frequent and severe."

The entire article can be found online.

It's amazing what money can buy. Just look at Mad Magazine.

[PhilG]

When Al Gore returns from vacation

[bogmonster]

Gulf Stream could collapse as early as 2025, study suggests | Climate crisis | The Guardian

So if it warms up a little more, we will have Amoc Collapse which will throw us into an ice age. I’m more confused now than when I found out there are more hydrocarbons (fossil fuels) on a moon of Saturn than we have on earth.

[sounding]

Originally Posted by bogmonster

Gulf Stream could collapse as early as 2025, study suggests | Climate crisis | The Guardian

So if it warms up a little more, we will have Amoc Collapse which will throw us into an ice age. I’m more confused now than when I found out there are more hydrocarbons (fossil fuels) on a moon of Saturn than we have on earth.

The failing AMOC is another scare-mongering hit piece.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Don't try to confuse these global warming alarmist cultists with the facts, just let them babble on.......

And guess what?--eventually they will be right---about 40,000 years from now due to the NATURAL repetitive cycles of glaciation and interglacial thaws that have been occurring over the last 4.5 million years, ALL WITHOUT ANY HELP FROM HUMANS.

True, though the 40,000 year mark might be a bit generous. I doubt the race can maintain itself as any kind of cohesive entity much beyond 200 years, given the finesse in mass killing that we develop war-to-war. Just 19 years after the "war to end all wars" mankind fought another war that made the first one look like a brushfire in comparison.

But on the off-chance we do manage to avoid offing each other and by some miracle DO make it that long, history itself has proven the-sky-is-falling crowd wrong time after time. Our race as lurched from "crisis" to "crisis" as defined by the aforesaid crowd, overcoming them all; and not just overcoming but coming out far the better on the other end. I vividly remember the 50s and the doleful warnings we were given that our planet was bursting at the seams trying to support the two billion five hundred thousand - odd people inhabiting it. But--guess what? We're well over three times that number now and starvation per capita is probably much less today than back in the 50's. Advancements in farming techniques, development of hardier crops, crop diversification, better land use, etc. etc. have come to the fore to prove just how empty the ramblings of the gloomers 70 years ago were. And not just food but disease as well. How many diseases in the past half century such as AIDS, Ebola, Bird Flu, SARS, and of course COVID were going to decimate the race? Not to minimize the danger of any disease but the various Armageddons that were going to be the result of any of them just didn't happen. Dispassionate science, pragmatism and common sense will disprove negative hype every time. And to be honest, the more I hear coming from the gloom-and-doomers, the more it reminds me of a convocation of fleas trying to decide what to do with the dog.

A review of the book "False Alarm: The Truth About The Epidemic of Fear" by Marc Siegel, MD, states the following: "Life today for citizens of the developed world is safer, easier, and healthier than for any other people in history thanks to modern medicine, science, technology, and intelligence. So why is an epidemic of fear sweeping America? The answer, according to nationally renowned health commentator Dr. Marc Siegel, is that we live in an artificially created culture of fear. In False Alarm, Siegel identifies three major catalysts of the culture of fear—government, the media, and big pharma. With fascinating, blow-by-blow analyses of the most sensational false alarms of the past few years, he shows how these fearmongers manipulate our most primitive instincts—often without our even realizing it. ". To be sure, there are those who will claim partisanship on the part of Dr. Siegel but just to claim it doesn't detract from the truth of the above quote.

Fear of something often seems to be just as debilitating, if not more so, than the "something" itself.

[Cliff Fr]

Even if you believe climate change is happened and caused by human activity: The Paris accord does nothing the reduce the carbon output of the biggest polluters, China and India. Those two countries carbon output has been increasing while the USA and UK's output has decreased.

[maistocars]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

When will it return? Dunno. But I plan on doing my part: I'll be burning a couple of gallons of used motor oil in the back yard on towards evening.

And an old tire.

Me? I plan on purchasing a cow for the gaseous discharge potential......

[Proveone]

Originally Posted by sounding

Who knows, but the sooner the better. This and more to be discussed Monday, Jan 15 at 1 PM at the Everglades Center - for the Science & Technology Club - South ... for a talk called Climate Change Calamity.

It's called climate change. You are meeting to push more conspiracy "theories".

[airstreamingypsy]

When will you learn the difference between climate and weather?

[sounding]

Originally Posted by Proveone

It's called climate change. You are meeting to push more conspiracy "theories".

Mazie has all the answers. Just pray.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by sounding

I just plotted all "maximum" temperatures for Oklahoma from 1900 to 2023. What years did you observe records?

Every summer, it was hotter than hail. Working on concrete ramp. 94 to 2014. But Oklahoma always hot in summer (after all it summer) averages around 100 to 110 July and August.

[mntlblok]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

True, though the 40,000 year mark might be a bit generous. I doubt the race can maintain itself as any kind of cohesive entity much beyond 200 years, given the finesse in mass killing that we develop war-to-war. Just 19 years after the "war to end all wars" mankind fought another war that made the first one look like a brushfire in comparison.

But on the off-chance we do manage to avoid offing each other and by some miracle DO make it that long, history itself has proven the-sky-is-falling crowd wrong time after time. Our race as lurched from "crisis" to "crisis" as defined by the aforesaid crowd, overcoming them all; and not just overcoming but coming out far the better on the other end. I vividly remember the 50s and the doleful warnings we were given that our planet was bursting at the seams trying to support the two billion five hundred thousand - odd people inhabiting it. But--guess what? We're well over three times that number now and starvation per capita is probably much less today than back in the 50's. Advancements in farming techniques, development of hardier crops, crop diversification, better land use, etc. etc. have come to the fore to prove just how empty the ramblings of the gloomers 70 years ago were. And not just food but disease as well. How many diseases in the past half century such as AIDS, Ebola, Bird Flu, SARS, and of course COVID were going to decimate the race? Not to minimize the danger of any disease but the various Armageddons that were going to be the result of any of them just didn't happen. Dispassionate science, pragmatism and common sense will disprove negative hype every time. And to be honest, the more I hear coming from the gloom-and-doomers, the more it reminds me of a convocation of fleas trying to decide what to do with the dog.

A review of the book "False Alarm: The Truth About The Epidemic of Fear" by Marc Siegel, MD, states the following: "Life today for citizens of the developed world is safer, easier, and healthier than for any other people in history thanks to modern medicine, science, technology, and intelligence. So why is an epidemic of fear sweeping America? The answer, according to nationally renowned health commentator Dr. Marc Siegel, is that we live in an artificially created culture of fear. In False Alarm, Siegel identifies three major catalysts of the culture of fear—government, the media, and big pharma. With fascinating, blow-by-blow analyses of the most sensational false alarms of the past few years, he shows how these fearmongers manipulate our most primitive instincts—often without our even realizing it. ". To be sure, there are those who will claim partisanship on the part of Dr. Siegel but just to claim it doesn't detract from the truth of the above quote.

Fear of something often seems to be just as debilitating, if not more so, than the "something" itself.

Dr. Marc lost my confidence early in 2020 when I saw him announce on TV that it certainly would *not* become a pandemic. Kinda makes it hard to determine how consistently he does his homework.

[DAVES]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

True! Temporary hot and cold periods may occur, but earth's annual average temperatures continue to rise. And, regardless of comments to the contrary, the condition is being helped along by the various activities of 8+ billion human beings.
But, like a certain individual in the news lately likes to tell us, "not a lot of people know that."

I watch people and my opinion is rather low. Any problem and most say someone, ANYBODY BUT ME, should............ I'm retired as many of us are. My carbon footprint is way less than it used to be.
REALITY-I no longer produce anything.
Population. In 1950 the population of the US was 180 million. Today it is 350 million roughly doubled.
Perhaps, like rats on a drowning ship, people turn on each other. Solutions? For most of us others are the problem and others should. Florida where we live. Imagine living here without air conditioning.