[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

We can discuss this over and over until the cows come home and not sure what will ever be accomplished.

If "the cows were coming home" in Australia, then the little children would NOT be afraid to go to school !!!!!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

It's not, unless you are referring to those guns that float through the air until they get to a school or movie and then fire themselves.

Well, "switchblade" drones can almost do that. I hear that the NRA is proposing those for CIVILIAN US use.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Well, "switchblade" drones can almost do that. I hear that the NRA is proposing those for CIVILIAN US use.

They need them for hunting 😂😂😂

[MartinSE]

I just watched the Chief of Police in Tulsa giving the timeline.

Less than 10 minutes after the 911 call, police were on the second floor of the Doctors office building where the shooting took place. The scene (2nd floor) was described as a complicate place for the officers and posed particular problems. THEY were yelling, "Tulsa Police". A minute later the shooter shoot himself.

Well trained, well disciplined. less than 10 minutes. Not a hour later some officers ignore orders and go in - like in Texas. Fast response is the top priority in training for these situations. And in Tulsa it worked.

BTW: Not that it matters. The shooter was not happy with the outcome of a surgery he had a week or so before, so on the 29th he purchase a semi-automatic hand gun (.40 Cal) and on the day of the shooting he purchase an AR-15 style weapon. 30 casings of 0.223 were found on the scene, and 8(? something like that) casing of .40 found on the scene. He left a letter saying he was going to kill the doctor and anyone that got into his way. It took him almost 40 rounds to accomplish his goal. I guess others ( like patients and doctors) got in his way.

EDITED to remove comment about facts that some found offensive. Facts are facts, unless you don't like them I guess.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Blueblaze

We may never be able to agree on "common sense", but maybe we could agree on "do-able".

There are 400 million "assault rifles" in private hands, but only a few thousand potential mass murderers. Removing either from society would require a constitutional amendment, or what we usually do -- simply ignore the Constitution. The obvious choice seems like simple math.

The beauty of it is, the lunatics actually use Big Tech to tell us who they are -- if we could just get Big Tech to imagine that an 18-year old kid who says he's going to use his new AR to murder his grandma and then shoot up the grade school down the street is at least as dangerous as a Mom who doesn't want to shoot up her kid with a vaccine that doesn't appear to actually prevent people from getting Covid!

But if you say that's not "common sense", I guess I'm out of ideas.

Slick deflection to Covid.

[Papa_lecki]

Seeing how popular Shooters World is, I would guess TV has a high per capita gun ownership rate and a very low per capita homicide rate.

Are the guns in The Villages different, that they don’t kill people, like the do in Detroit?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Like ABC, NBC, CBS, and MSNBC?????

Keep guessing, you are getting warm.........hint UK ownership.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Papa_lecki

Seeing how popular Shooters World is, I would guess TV has a high per capita gun ownership rate and a very low per capita homicide rate.

Are the guns in The Villages different, that they don’t kill people, like the do in Detroit?

Maybe. The guns are old, their muzzle velocity has slowed down, the bullets are softer and the trigger is rusty 😂😂😂

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by mike234

quit saying it is a mental health issue. lives should not depend on some mental person, forgetting to take his or her pill in the morning.....they belong in jail.

Yes, there should be a mental health test......every 2 years. ?????? I wonder how many here in TV Land would pass. I remember a tennis player here that definitely would NOT pass. And one of my neighbors, I have serious doubts about.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

They need them for hunting 😂😂😂

The deer better watch out......meat prices are skyrocketing!

[Kenswing]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

I just watched the Chief of Police in Tulsa giving the timeline.

Less than 10 minutes after the 911 call, police were on the second floor of the Doctors office building where the shooting took place. The scene (2nd floor) was described as a complicate place for the officers and posed particular problems. THEY were yelling, "Tulsa Police". A minute later the shooter shoot himself.

Well trained, well disciplined. less than 10 minutes. Not a hour later some officers ignore orders and go in - like in Texas. Fast response is the top priority in training for these situations. And in Tulsa it worked.

BTW: Not that it matters. The shooter was not happy with the outcome of a surgery he had a week or so before, so on the 29th he purchase a semi-automatic hand gun (.40 Cal) and on the day of the shooting he purchase an AR-15 style weapon. 30 casings of 0.223 were found on the scene, and 8(? something like that) casing of .40 found on the scene. He left a letter saying he was going to kill the doctor and anyone that got into his way. It took him almost 40 rounds to accomplish his goal. I guess others ( like patients and doctors) got in his way.

And one last point. And I am NOT saying this is why there was so much difference between the two shootings. But, the victims in Texas were poor minority children, and the victims in Tulsa were rich white guys.

Uvalde is city with a population of 16,000 with a police force that reflects that number. Tulsa has a population of 400,000. Who do you expect to have a better trained and staffed police department?

Then your race baiting at the end is just sick!

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Kenswing

Uvalde is city with a population of 16,000 with a police force that reflects that number. Tulsa has a population of 400,000. Who do you expect to have a better trained and staffed police department?

Then your race baiting at the end is just sick!

I drew no conclusions OTHER than I said the Tulsa Police were better trained.

I drew NO conclusions in my observation of differences in the victims. My statement was true. In Uvalde nothing happened until a Childs father arrived and went in.

You can draw any conclusions you want, please do not attribute your opinions to my comment. Draw your own conclusions.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Christianity - oh yeah. That's a good one. The religion that did the whole "convert or die" thing back during the Crusades. The thing that had Englanders rushing to the New World to escape persecution because their version of Christianity wasn't the "right kind."

Christianity - the #1 religion in Oklahoma, where over 75% of the population is some denomination or another of Christian.

Here's some clues: the majority of mass shooters in the USA were NOT athiests. Lack of universal background checks made it easier for them to get more guns and more ammo. Having universal background checks would likely not have stopped most of them. But it would've made it harder for them to get.

I'm not for a weapons ban - banning weapons doesn't stop weapons from being sold. But I am in favor of halting the manufacture of semi-automatics and retail sales. In other words - any currently in circulation should still be allowed to be in circulation. But from now on - any (semi-automatics) made will be for the military and the police, via contract. So there's 100% accountability in the chain of distribution.

I'm also for the clips that hold lots of rounds being restricted (not banned) to military/police use only. I don't know how many rounds, but certainly no one needs more than a couple of bullets to hit their target if they're properly trained.

I'm also for mandatory training and licensing, just as we do for driving motor vehicles.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Yes, there should be a mental health test......every 2 years. ?????? I wonder how many here in TV Land would pass. I remember a tennis player here that definitely would NOT pass. And one of my neighbors, I have serious doubts about.

Wait, didn't we just dump all the mentally ill out? Who was it that defunded the mental health institutions. Oh, now I remember. The ones calling shooters crazy and blaming mental health for all the deaths. The ones that didn't "fix" that when they controlled 3 branches of government. And yet, here they all are again blaming mental health, but not willing to fund it. And still, they couldn't wait to go into recess and NOT propose a mental health funding bill, that they say is the problem.

[justjim]

Prior to 2004 there was a ban on “Assault weapons” but it expired. Were things better then? Just asking….