[Scbang]

Originally Posted by Heytubes

Guess I can sue car manufacturers when a drunk drive kills someone.

Yes if they said my cars don't kill people.

Sadness

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

Prayers, platitudes, lots of flowers, plenty of photo ops. at the vigils, (cry please) and most of all, empty promises.
Same old faces spouting the same entrenched opinions.
Sells papers, and keeps the talking heads employed.
Nothing will change.
Here's to the next time!

Social tensions are VERY high. There are 1.2 guns available per person in the US and a BIG increase in the last 2 years. That is a bad recipe! And there could be something like one mass murder every 10 days in the near future - until something is done nationwide to lower social tensions or do something about the US guns problem or do both.
Australia AND New Zealand HAD a similar problem to the one the US has now. They attacked the gun problem directly by Australia's MELTING DOWN all semi-automatic rifles. Since then they have had only ONE mass murder in about 10 years. That is PROOF POSITIVE that something can be done. Children in Australia and New Zealand do NOT have to fear simply going to school - or adults going to church - or to a square to listen to music and dance.
........ Also, US mass murders are only 2% of the deaths due to guns. The rest is individual murders and suicides!
..........I am in favor of the 2nd amendment and having gun ownership for home protection, shooting targets, and hunting. I am NOT in favor of semi-automatic rifles that the NRA and the gun manufacturers PREFER because of high mark-up and profits paid for by the blood of children. Let's return to the 1950s when guns were for hunting game and NOT HUNTING PEOPLE !!!!!!!

[DAVES]

Originally Posted by jebartle

19 innocent children, 2 dedicated teachers, lives lost, solution????? More guns, bigger prisons, NOT. Japan, no guns unless police and military, murder rate .3 percent per 100,000, America, 4.7 per 100,000. Mental health wake up call.

Sadly, there are no simple answers. Mental health? Read the posts. Anyone who does not agree with ME they are NUTS.

INSANITY? The definition of insanity is harmful to yourself or others. Your neighbor sprays insecticide on a tree. Are they INSANE?

Antigun? Acceptance of law by RIOT. Lack of police support. Gun sales have skyrocketed.

The fact is there is a very small percentage of our population that commit violent crimes. It was proposed three strikes and you are out but it never happened.

Our legal system, innocent until proven guilty. Hum 3x and your out and accepting it is a crime for anyone to suggest you MIGHT commit a crime. IMAGINE.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by MrFlorida

Maybe we should not let our children play violent video games that gives them the idea that it's ok to kill people ?

Throughout the WHOLE world, children play the SAME kind of violent video games. The UK, Germany, and all other countries have an INSIGNIFICANT amount of gun violence compared to the US which is, BY FAR, # 1 . Also mental health is nearly constant throughout the world, so not really a factor! The differentiating factor is that the AVAILABILITY OF GUNS in the US is sssssoooo much greater.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Throughout the WHOLE world, children play the SAME kind of violent video games. The UK, Germany, and all other countries have an INSIGNIFICANT amount of gun violence compared to the US which is, BY FAR, # 1 . Also mental health is nearly constant throughout the world, so not really a factor! The differentiating factor is that the AVAILABILITY OF GUNS in the US is sssssoooo much greater.

Not so sure availability of firearms is the cause. Understand there is a huge number of firearms owned by residents of the villages. When was the last time they were improperly used?

[DAVES]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Social tensions are VERY high. There are 1.2 guns available per person in the US and a BIG increase in the last 2 years. That is a bad recipe! And there could be something like one mass murder every 10 days in the near future - until something is done nationwide to lower social tensions or do something about the US guns problem or do both.
Australia AND New Zealand HAD a similar problem to the one the US has now. They attacked the gun problem directly by Australia's MELTING DOWN all semi-automatic rifles. Since then they have had only ONE mass murder in about 10 years. That is PROOF POSITIVE that something can be done. Children in Australia and New Zealand do NOT have to fear simply going to school - or adults going to church - or to a square to listen to music and dance.
........ Also, US mass murders are only 2% of the deaths due to guns. The rest is individual murders and suicides!
..........I am in favor of the 2nd amendment and having gun ownership for home protection, shooting targets, and hunting. I am NOT in favor of semi-automatic rifles that the NRA and the gun manufacturers PREFER because of high mark-up and profits paid for by the blood of children. Let's return to the 1950s when guns were for hunting game and NOT HUNTING PEOPLE !!!!!!!

Return to the 1950's. First of all we cannot go back to what was. Secondly, memory of the good old days is distorted. I HAVE PHOTOGRAPHIC PROOF OF IT.

I was born in 1950. We have 16mm movies of a family picnic I will guess around 1955. We never had a 16mm projector so I had no way to see them. I had them transferred to DVD. Due to my parents yelling at me about littering, I remembered the streets were clean in the OLD DAYS. The movies show clearly that was not true.
Typical park equipment. Today child protection services , which did not exist, would toss parents into jail and put kids into foster care for allowing kids to play on that stuff. Movies showed I was having a blast. This post shows it did not kill us. Oh and my did was a WWII COMBAT VET. We were poorer than is provided, today by the public dole. UNFAIR-I was taught, right and wrong. I was taught you work for what you need. I was taught there is a difference between what you need and what you want.

What is wrong now is what we have allowed to be.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

Guns have been around forever, but mass shootings are up during recent years. What’s different than before, social media and violent video games that are streamed online through sites like twitch. How come every time there is a violent shooting it becomes about guns, but when some whack job mows down a crowd of people with a car it’s not about vehicles? Whack jobs will always find a way, especially when they can become immediate social media click bait.

From about 1950 to 1985 if you read a Guns magazine, the articles were about where to hunt pheasants and deer - and what shotgun or bolt-action rifle was best for deer. Also some articles about hunting in Alaska, Canada, or even Africa. THEN, that all changed because the GUN MANUFACTURERS found out that fewer people were going hunting and that there were larger PROFITS to make in selling to FOOLS....... MILITARY-STYLE semi-automatics AKA MAN KILLERS !!!!!!!

[ThirdOfFive]

"Let's return to the 1950s when guns were for hunting game and NOT HUNTING PEOPLE !!!!!!!"

The ethics and values of the 1950s were what prevented people then from what they are doing now. Guns were just as available then. Actually much more so: if you were over 18, in Minnesota at least, you could buy a gun. Or guns. My dad had a collection of well over 50 when he died. But if we EVER had school shootings back then, we certainly didn't hear about it.

We don't have a gun problem. We have a people problem. Fix the PEOPLE and forget about demonizing guns: it is just a convenient way to avoid facing the real issues.

[DAVES]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Not so sure availability of firearms is the cause. Understand there is a huge number of firearms owned by residents of the villages. When was the last time they were improperly used?

It could not be more clear. You cannot reason with people. So many examples.
Read the posts on any thread. A post where it says, I DID NOT REALIZE I AM WRONG BUT I SEE IT NOW.

People in the villages are older, brighter, more educated and more prosperous than average.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

From about 1950 to 1985 if you read a Guns magazine, the articles were about where to hunt pheasants and deer - and what shotgun or bolt-action rifle was best for deer. Also some articles about hunting in Alaska, Canada, or even Africa. THEN, that all changed because the GUN MANUFACTURERS found out that fewer people were going hunting and that there were larger PROFITS to make in selling to FOOLS....... MILITARY-STYLE semi-automatics AKA MAN KILLERS !!!!!!!

Sorta like blaming the gifts for causing Christmas.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

When we were kids had pea shooters, carpet guns and cap pistols and we all carried around pocket knives even to school.

Had fish fights and noone even thought of taking out their knives.

Had all kind of cowboy and war movies and rather violent cartoons so we were also exposed to violence and we all survived.

There are over 400 million guns in this country how in the world would you get rid of them?

Have no clue how to fix this problem but defunding the police will not help.

Australia melted down ALL of their civilian-owned semi-automatic rifles. Then almost zero mass murders. Are we so STUPID that we can't do what Australia did?

[The Chipster]

Our national addiction to guns, including assault rifles, is like a broken record. I am sick of the washed out debates and countless massacres, while congress does absolutely nothing. We all know what is the ONLY way this will change . . . elect a particular political party in enough numbers that will control Congress and finally bring sanity to this heartbroken country. Period.

[jimbomaybe]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

From about 1950 to 1985 if you read a Guns magazine, the articles were about where to hunt pheasants and deer - and what shotgun or bolt-action rifle was best for deer. Also some articles about hunting in Alaska, Canada, or even Africa. THEN, that all changed because the GUN MANUFACTURERS found out that fewer people were going hunting and that there were larger PROFITS to make in selling to FOOLS....... MILITARY-STYLE semi-automatics AKA MAN KILLERS !!!!!!!

Businesses supply what people want, as far as availability I can remember a time when you could get a M1 through the mail, no questions

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

350 million guns have not been around forever. And it is growing at historic rates, just like school shootings - coincidence? Number of guns has tripled since 2000. You remember 2000? The year after the first school shooting - Columbine.

Yeah, another thing that has changed, concerning what has changed, just a week ago wasn't it that the crazy quoted Replacement theory for killing 10 people.

Whack jobs are everywhere, in every country in every society. Only the US has mass shootings in school - constantly. Only in the US. What does the US have that no other country in the world has? 350 MILLION guns in circulation.

I have NOTHING against responsible gun owners or gun ownership. I can't think of ANY way 350 million guns can be collected. It is NOT going to happen.

So, how about we all get together and figure out a way to keep responsible gun owners happy and armed, while at the same time creating fewer mourning parents. 231 school shootings in the 22 years since Columbine.

Or, would everyone like to just keep calling each other naming and spewing "facts" like guns don't kill people. Yeah guns do nothing until a person picks it up, the gun is used to kill 21 people in under 2 minutes.

I have heard someone say crazies will find a way, like using a car to drive into a crowd. Yeah, true, and when was the last time a crazy drove a car into a crowded class room and killed 19 children?

My solution is to manufacture only single shot or bolt action rifles and pistols for civilian use starting soon. Then Police can MELT down all semi-autos that they pick up in criminal hands. Also, Police could buy back semi-autos. Eventually, all weapons would be single shot or bolt action. It WOULD take a long time to get ALL semi-autos off the street. But, if you got 10% out of circulation in 5 years, it should lead to a 10% drop in mass murders. At least, that IS A WORKABLE SOLUTION. And it would take ZERO guns away from law abiding citizens, thus 2nd amendment protection.

[Scbang]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Not so sure availability of firearms is the cause. Understand there is a huge number of firearms owned by residents of the villages. When was the last time they were improperly used?

Happy people having fun have nothing to do with the gun violence.
Easy availability of semi-auto guns for miserable people is asking for trouble.

Sadness