[Taltarzac725]

Federal Assault Weapons Ban - Wikipedia

This law expired quite a ways back.

Found this interesting--

Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence - Wikipedia

[Trayderjoe]

Originally Posted by Madelaine Amee

Just take the assault weapons, nobody wants the guns from law-abiding citizens. By the way, you have way too much time on your hands - takes a long time to do this much research.

Again, what are assault weapons? What makes them an "assault weapon"? Are you aware that an AR style rifle and a semi-automatic handgun have the same rate of fire (i.e. one trigger pull equals one round of ammunition expended)?

So which guns do you want to confiscate from law abiding citizens? Are we now including semi-automatic handguns as banned weapons (data also shows handguns are used FAR more frequently in "mass shooting" events). Are you willing to ban bodyguards from carrying these guns, or do richer people have the right to protection that people in lower income levels can't afford? What will be the penalty for people who possess these "banned guns" and will the penalties be applied absolutely? If we can apply these new laws absolutely, then what will be changed, since many current laws are falling by the wayside? Why was Darrell Brooks allowed to remain on the streets? If you don't remember him, he was the person arrested for the Waukesha Christmas Parade tragedy (link). Is it remotely possible that if offenders like these find themselves in jail and not kicked back on the streets before the paperwork is done, there might be a decrease in violent crime? Since criminals don't seem to care about current laws, who do you think that new laws will impact the most, law abiding citizens or criminals?

[Trayderjoe]

Originally Posted by Sarah_W

I believe the reason it is a gun free zone is due to a Secret Service requirement since Trump will be speaking. I think all venues where current and former Presidents speak are gun free zones. I've been to NRA events in the past and was not required to leave my firearm or have it unloaded.

As to gun stores, the policies vary. Some allow you have have your loaded firearm on your person if you have a CCW permit. Others don't allow them to be uncased and require them to be unloaded and still others have no requirement at all.

Thank you. I forgot that President Trump will be there, so that in and of itself would be a reason for the gun ban as you indicated. Of course, the venue can make that designation as well. On a side note, I have seen a doctor's office with a posting on the doors that firearms were prohibited.

[Taltarzac725]

What is a '''Red Flag law'''—a hope for bipartisan reform on gun control | Fortune

This is being discussed right now.

A red-flag law is shorthand for a type of gun legislation that grants law enforcement the authority to temporarily take guns away from someone who exhibits concerning behavior. That red-flag behavior could include a known gun owner issuing specific threats to do harm or demonstrating signs of suffering serious mental illness.

[MollyJo]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

Almost correct.

Hunters in Japan can have guns.

The low murder rate is culture driven, not gun control driven.

Right. They will not dishonor their families. The life lessons begin at birth…

[jswirs]

Originally Posted by Fran from MI

If you can list for me the number of "whack jobs" that used a car to mow down 8-10 year old kids that numbers more than 0, I will consider your argument. Schools have become the target for "whack jobs" over the last 10 years.

In this case an 18 year old with no prior mental health issues buys 2 Assault Rifles with high capacity magazines LEGALLY. Can anyone explain to me what 18 year old has a need for such guns?

Now we hear Texas saying that they are going to commit more money for mental health (I guess for the survivors?) and are going to "harden their schools" by allowing Teachers to have guns. I guess this means teachers will be allowed to have an AR-15 tucked between their legs since these attacks typically happen with high capacity magazines and sometimes even some body armor. Does that really sound like it makes sense? It wasn't long ago that the push was on for Armed Guards in every school district. I guess once the noise settled down, they realized there wasn't enough money to do that.

Does Social Media play a part--absolutely. Does mental health play a part-absolutely. Does the easy access to high powered, high capacity guns play a part-ABSOLUTELY. Had this kid just had rifle used for hunting, he could not have killed as many 10 year olds, if any.

This is a multi faceted problem that requires tackling ALL of those issues together, a little at a time, but fixing any 1 of them will not do it.

But you did not mention who plays the most important part... PARENTS.

[Bellavita]

Do you support background checks or just let anyone anytime get a gun like an AK 30 round clip?

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

There was a study done a few years back regarding incidents such as this. I don't recall the methodology used but the conclusion was that well over HALF of such crimes are "copycat". And with the endless and exhaustive "coverage", which often tends toward the maudlin or even the hysterical, it is easy to see how it could influence some person not all that solid mentally, to try to imitate it or even do it one (or more) better.

There is another effect of such coverage, one that has been proven innumerable times. Every such incident is accompanied by an endless parade of officials calling for increased gun control. They, too, tend toward the maudlin or the hysterical. But the EFFECT is that such overdramatization is a direct cause of vastly increased gun sales. In 2021 alone, something like 43 MILLION new guns were sold to private citizens in America.

Maybe its time for a little common sense. Hysteria just doesn't seem to work all that well.

[Sarah_W]

Originally Posted by Bellavita

Do you support background checks or just let anyone anytime get a gun like an AK 30 round clip?

An "AK 30 round clip" is not a gun, so the question is impossible to answer.

[spd2918]

Originally Posted by Madelaine Amee

Just take the assault weapons, nobody wants the guns from law-abiding citizens. By the way, you have way too much time on your hands - takes a long time to do this much research.

The problem is the controlling political class will call everything an assault weapon. A real assault weapon is a machine gun (fully automatic) and I'm probably correct in saying no US school shooting involved one. I own an AR15 derivative. It is not full auto. It is difficult to own a full auto assault weapon. Special rules apply very few people have them.

I didn't do much research. I did, however, looked some things up and did not knee jerk agree with what our horrible mass media pumps out. Our news is trash- do your own research and use multiple sources.

[Sarah_W]

Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy

School shootings seem to have two components..... The first is a weird kid who has been bullied. The second is semi automatic AR-15s, the mass shooters'' weapon of choice. Both those things are almost always present.

Schools have to pay more attention to bullying...... parents have to watch for signs that their kid is being bullied too, and parents need to teach their kids not to bully other kids.

As for the AR-15s..... this country is so obsessed with guns, and misinterpreting the 2nd amendment, I guess thoughts and prayers is the only action that will be taken.

Originally Posted by Proveone

Mr. "Know it all" as usual. Your opinion. Not based by logic or reason. We live in a country where there are more guns than people. More guns than motor vehicles. Second Amendment stated regulated militia but this country's guns are not regulated. No one needs an AR 15 assault weapon unless you are in the military at war. Your "two cents" is now worth less than a penny!

Full disclosure: I am a hunter and grew up in a hunting family. I am a competition shooter, competing in speed pistol and precision rifle. I am a certified firearms instructor and co-founder of US Womens Shooting Academy. I know a lot about firearms. Lastly, I speak publicly on the Constitution as well as the 2nd Amendment.

I mean no disrespect regarding the two posts I highlighted above. There were several to choose from that are factually inaccurate and typify much of the rhetoric today. The majority of people screaming for more gun control are not knowledgeable about firearms.

The fact of the matter is, the AR-15 is not the weapon of choice for school shooters. The handgun is used 10 times more often. As a general note, it doesn't even rank in the top ten for weapons of straight out murder. AR style rifles account for an average of 17 murders over the past ten years. Blunt objects such as hammers and bats are used more often. The common denominator with school shooters are they are individuals who have been traumatized, bullied, marginalized, etc.



Some people believe AR stands for Assault Rifle. It does not. The AR line of firearms were manufactured by Armalite Rifles.
The AR has been around since the 1950's. Today it is popular with hunters and sport shooters alike. The AR does seem to frighten people who don't know anything about guns, whereas the Ruger Mini 14 Ranch Rifle doesn't bother them. The fact is, they both fire the .223/5.56 round with the same capacity magazines, at the same rate of fire which is one round for one trigger pull. The AR is a scary black rifle and the Ruger looks like Grandpa's pickup gun in his gun rack.

The second quoted post above calls the AR and assault weapon and considers it a weapon of war. Neither is true. The military version of the civilian AR is the M-16, a fully automatic rifle. The AR is not fully automatic. Nobody has a definition of assault rifle. It is a term used to frighten people. Never has the US soldier carried an AR-15 into battle. Our soldiers carry the M-16, among others.

The problem is not just that the average citizens doesn't know the facts, the problem is even bigger because many of our politicians don't know the facts, or conveniently twist the facts to suit their agenda and that is a bigger problem still. In my opinion, Legislators should have mandatory education on the important issues they draft laws to govern. Within the United States we have over 300,000 laws related to firearms. As noted, many are not enforced. That is a huge problem. Fun fact: Nobody knows how many laws there are in total in the US. That seems like a system out of control.

It is disturbing to me how little the average American knows about our freedom documents and the reasons our Founding Fathers created this Constitutional Republic of the people and for the people. In my personal library I have over 70 books on this subject. The oldest printed in 1785, Samuel Johnson's Dictionary. The very dictionary our Founding Fathers used to write the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Addressing the second quoted post above I'll limit this to the 2nd Amendment. There is history to the Bill of Rights but I'll save that for another discussion. We shall use the text as it currently appears.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The second quoted post above erroneously connects some imaginary dots that the guns of the militia should be regulated and our country does not regulate guns. Both assertions are false. First, there are many regulations on guns, at the Federal and State levels. The CZ Shadow 9mm handgun is one of my favorites. Try buying one in California. Hint: You can't buy a new CZ Shadow 2 because it is not on CA "approved roster of handguns".

Let's break down the second amendment. "A well regulated militia"...the definition of a militia in 1787 "the part of the community trained to martial exercise." The militia should be well regulated. The definition of "regulate" was to "direct". Therefore, another way of saying the first portion is "A well directed part of the community trained to martial exercise". The definition of "martial" is "war like".

"Being necessary for the security of a free State". This portion is very basic. There were 13 states at the time of the writing of our Constitution. The very much valued their freedom and intended to retain the freedom they fought 8 bloody years for.

"The right of the People to keep and bear Arms". So many on the left of center seem to not understand this. What is the Right? To keep and bear arms. To keep Arms means to hold and keep in custody. To bear arms means to carry arms. Who owns that Right? The People, not the State and not the militia as an entity, but the People. Arms means armaments as in armor for defense and weapons for offense.

"Shall not be infringed". Infringe means to violate, to destroy, to hinder.

Our Founding Fathers feared and did not favor a standing army. They had just won their independence fighting the British Regulars, the standing army of Britain. When the British moved to disarm the Americans on April 19, 1775 at Lexington and Concord, it was not George Washington's army who met them. It was the militias of that area. Bakers, farmers, blacksmiths, shop keepers, etc. stood firm against the most feared military of their time and refused to surrender their weapons.

Today our media demonizes the word militia. it is easy to understand why. The American citizen is actually the largest armed force in the world. There are many who wish to destroy that. It begins with undermining our Rights, infringing on our Rights, and taking away our Rights.


To the school shootings and other mass shootings. Prior to the internet, mass shootings were very rare. It would be interesting to track the rise of social media and the rise of mass shootings. Young people have been kept isolated for the past two years due to a disease that is 99.6% survivable. Young people spent and inordinate amount of time on social media platforms. Touching another human being is being replaced with keypads. Looking another human being in the eye and reading their body language as been replaced by a monitor. Netflix is full of violent movies and rarely post up a comedy or romance. Take a young man, bully him online, keep him isolated so he doesn't know his self worth, fail to instill morals and then let him binge watch John Wick movies and play hour upon hour of Call of Duty. The outcome is predictable. There will be more mass killings by mentally ill people. We are doing nothing to identify them and treat them. Many want to blame the instrument instead of the societal failings of our culture. The list of reasons for killing someone or many is actually a pretty short list. Mass shooters are particularly mentally ill. I suspect in their mind being famous or infamous is one in the same. Their name will be known. I will say that predators do measure Risk versus Reward. It should come as no surprise that they choose Gun Free Zones to inflict as much carnage as they can before they are stopped.

Note: I had plenty of links for citations I listed above, but being a new poster here it would not post.

[jswirs]

Originally Posted by Fran from MI

If you can list for me the number of "whack jobs" that used a car to mow down 8-10 year old kids that numbers more than 0, I will consider your argument. Schools have become the target for "whack jobs" over the last 10 years.

In this case an 18 year old with no prior mental health issues buys 2 Assault Rifles with high capacity magazines LEGALLY. Can anyone explain to me what 18 year old has a need for such guns?

Now we hear Texas saying that they are going to commit more money for mental health (I guess for the survivors?) and are going to "harden their schools" by allowing Teachers to have guns. I guess this means teachers will be allowed to have an AR-15 tucked between their legs since these attacks typically happen with high capacity magazines and sometimes even some body armor. Does that really sound like it makes sense? It wasn't long ago that the push was on for Armed Guards in every school district. I guess once the noise settled down, they realized there wasn't enough money to do that.

Does Social Media play a part--absolutely. Does mental health play a part-absolutely. Does the easy access to high powered, high capacity guns play a part-ABSOLUTELY. Had this kid just had rifle used for hunting, he could not have killed as many 10 year olds, if any.

This is a multi faceted problem that requires tackling ALL of those issues together, a little at a time, but fixing any 1 of them will not do it.

Originally Posted by Eg_cruz

Littleton shooters lived with both parents

Ok, but does that mean the parents did their due diligence with these children? Did the parents get involved with the children's school, and have the kids get involved with sports, etc., and did the children feel loved? Just because children live with both parents does not mean those parents were involved enough in their children's lives to make a difference.

[Keefelane66]

As events unfold seems that even with a SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER FAILURE TO CONFRONT and try to stop Murderer Local Sheriff's we're ineffective and needed to wait between 40 to 60 minutes for a tactical unit from Border Patrol to confront and take down, MURDERER. Families arrived a school before Tactical units arrived!

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

Nope

Double BS.

Total nonsense.
UK is way down the list on world crime, and last school shooting was 1996.
Then guns were banned.
Gun crime now is mainly drug gangs killing each other, which as far as majority of population is concerned, save a lot of money on paperwork, and feeding them in prison.

[Keefelane66]

Originally Posted by Trayderjoe

Thank you. I forgot that President Trump will be there, so that in and of itself would be a reason for the gun ban as you indicated. Of course, the venue can make that designation as well. On a side note, I have seen a doctor's office with a posting on the doors that firearms were prohibited.

Weapons are PROHIBITED at all NRA CONVENTIONS!

[Caymus]

Originally Posted by Keefelane66

As events unfold seems that even with a SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER FAILURE TO CONFRONT and try to stop Murderer Local Sheriff's we're ineffective and needed to wait between 40 to 60 minutes for a tactical unit from Border Patrol to confront and take down, MURDERER. Families arrived a school before Tactical units arrived!

I wondered why the Border Patrol was involved.