[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

350 million guns have not been around forever. And it is growing at historic rates, just like school shootings - coincidence? Number of guns has tripled since 2000. You remember 2000? The year after the first school shooting - Columbine.

Yeah, another thing that has changed, concerning what has changed, just a week ago wasn't it that the crazy quoted Replacement theory for killing 10 people.

Whack jobs are everywhere, in every country in every society. Only the US has mass shootings in school - constantly. Only in the US. What does the US have that no other country in the world has? 350 MILLION guns in circulation.

I have NOTHING against responsible gun owners or gun ownership. I can't think of ANY way 350 million guns can be collected. It is NOT going to happen.

So, how about we all get together and figure out a way to keep responsible gun owners happy and armed, while at the same time creating fewer mourning parents. 231 school shootings in the 22 years since Columbine.

Or, would everyone like to just keep calling each other naming and spewing "facts" like guns don't kill people. Yeah guns do nothing until a person picks it up, the gun is used to kill 21 people in under 2 minutes.

I have heard someone say crazies will find a way, like using a car to drive into a crowd. Yeah, true, and when was the last time a crazy drove a car into a crowded class room and killed 19 children?

I heard that Police did NOT arrive for over one HOUR. There are a lot of details about this massacre that need better answers. The Texas Ranger spokesmen seemed to" hem and haw" when asked about the response time?

[Scbang]

Originally Posted by jimbomaybe

Businesses supply what people want, as far as availability I can remember a time when you could get a M1 through the mail, no questions

That logic applies to drugs, tobacco and guns (and almost everything else we buy). The truth is business (including drug dealers) is constantly researching ways to create demands legally and/or illegally. Unfortunately, their easy target preys are often young kids.

Sad

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

Absolutely, 100% NO. The day our military is used in our country is the day our country ends.

A country ends slowly. Canada is so WORRIED about the loss of democracy in the US that they have studied and prepared for the day that the US may change into an autocracy.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I heard that Police did NOT arrive for over one HOUR. There are a lot of details about this massacre that need better answers. The Texas Ranger spokesmen seemed to" hem and haw" when asked about the response time?

Appears that just like the one in Ft Lauderdale a few years back the police took way to long to provide the help they are sworn to do.

Hopefully there will be a full and impartial investigation of the response time.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by GOLFER54

One would be foolish to believe that guns are the problem. There are kids and adults that are mentally unstable, some take medications, others seek help, some do not. If an unstable person gets a gun, whether it be legal or illegally and if they have bad intentions, how is anyone to know if they plan to do harm to others ?Criminals on the other hand carry guns with the intentions if they are cornered or interrupted during their crime they will no doubt shoot someone. Those folks that have purchased a gun legally have the intentions of protecting themselves or their love ones. Sadly we see that mass murders in US has seen more than 200 mass shootings since January.

GUNS ARE the PROBLEM. To understand this better just research how Australia and New Zealand SOLVED, yes SOLVED their mass murders and gun crime problems. They DID it, we can too!

[spd2918]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

..........I am in favor of the 2nd amendment and having gun ownership for home protection, shooting targets, and hunting. I am NOT in favor of semi-automatic rifles that the NRA and the gun manufacturers PREFER because of high mark-up and profits paid for by the blood of children. Let's return to the 1950s when guns were for hunting game and NOT HUNTING PEOPLE !!!!!!!

The 2nd Ammendment is not about hunting or home protection.
It's about the people having the means to resist a tyranical government.

All "semi-automatic" means is the next bullet is loaded after the last is shot. A revolver loads the next bullet by trigger squeeze (or thumb cocking) and anyone with any skill can achieve the same rate of fire as an AR15. Besides, shooting fast means less accuracy, so it's a wash.

As for the New Zealand and Australia argument, they didn't have many mass shooting before confiscation. Australia did force people into quarantine detention during covid. They could because they did not fear an armed populace.

And the reason gun ownership is up is because people fear a tyranical government. When Seattle allowed a group of Communist thugs to take over the city, people bought guns. When those same Communist thugs laid seige to a Federal Courthouse in Portland, people bought guns.

I'm all for personal choice. If you don't like guns, don't buy one.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by WingedFoot78

In the "Wild West Days" ammunition capacity was limited to six shots or whatever the rifles of the times held. Now with the AR type weapons, the capacity has increased multiple times. Is there any need for these types of weapons? Can you hunt legally with them?

I believe that the Texas shooter carried 5 spare 30-round "banana clip" magazines with him. I would call for the outlaw of those types of CLIPS as a 1st step toward less NRA propaganda-backed MAN-KILLING weapons of MASS MURDER.
.........Guns DO kill people ........in the sense that semi-automatic rifles, shotguns, and pistols are capable of producing more shots per time period - than single action and bolt action weapons.
......... So certain GUNS Do kill people more effectively than others!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Anne Cink

I feel the same way about video games. Why do they never investigate what kind of video games a shooter watched? Hollywood elites scream their outrage and demand gun control. yet they produce ever more violent movies and tv shows with bigger and bigger guns! Video games get more realistic and more despicably violent! We desensitize children to the value of life! Death becomes less "real"!

Because these SAME videos are seen by young people in All countries around the globe and ONLY the US is, BY FAR, the # 1 country in gun violence and mass murders. The overwhelming factor is GUN accessibility.(and semi-automatics)

[PugMom]

Originally Posted by spd2918

The 2nd Ammendment is not about hunting or home protection.
It's about the people having the means to resist a tyranical government.

All "semi-automatic" means is the next bullet is loaded after the last is shot. A revolver loads the next bullet by trigger squeeze (or thumb cocking) and anyone with any skill can achieve the same rate of fire as an AR15. Besides, shooting fast means less accuracy, so it's a wash.

As for the New Zealand and Australia argument, they didn't have many mass shooting before confiscation. Australia did force people into quarantine detention during covid. They could because they did not fear an armed populace.

And the reason gun ownership is up is because people fear a tyranical government. When Seattle allowed a group of Communist thugs to take over the city, people bought guns. When those same Communist thugs laid seige to a Federal Courthouse in Portland, people bought guns.

I'm all for personal choice. If you don't like guns, don't buy one.

[PugMom]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Because these SAME videos are seen by young people in All countries around the globe and ONLY the US is, BY FAR, the # 1 country in gun violence and mass murders. The overwhelming factor is GUN accessibility.(and semi-automatics)

they used to say the same thing when i was a kid regarding horror movies. the extreme kind, like chainsaw massacre or dawn of the dead. i grew up on that stuff & never became a twisted mass murderer or zombie. dittos on video games, not every kid who plays call of duty grows up to be a killer

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Eg_cruz

Could not agree with you more. Let’s also look at Hollywood and the movies they make.

If movies were the problem then all countries would have the large (# 1) rating for gun violence that the US has. And mental health is the same around the globe. This IS PROOF positive that the US AVAILABILITY of guns IS the FACTOR making the US by far the # 1 for gun violence. Just look it up, please!

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Throughout the WHOLE world, children play the SAME kind of violent video games. The UK, Germany, and all other countries have an INSIGNIFICANT amount of gun violence compared to the US which is, BY FAR, # 1 . Also mental health is nearly constant throughout the world, so not really a factor! The differentiating factor is that the AVAILABILITY OF GUNS in the US is sssssoooo much greater.

Or those countries raise kid’s better? 20x population means 20x problems. Only China and India has more population that USA. We know why China don’t have problems (not reported) and non availability. India 80% dirt poor and can’t afford pair good shoes.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Eg_cruz

Did it stop everyone from smoking …….nope

It decreased smoking considerably!

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by PugMom

they used to say the same thing when i was a kid regarding horror movies. the extreme kind, like chainsaw massacre or dawn of the dead. i grew up on that stuff & never became a twisted mass murderer or zombie. dittos on video games, not every kid who plays call of duty grows up to be a killer

But, it only takes few out of millions. Call duty rather mild compared to others and I bet majority kids aren’t playing that one? IMO Chain saw massacre non player 99% couldn’t even start the chain saw.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

Absolutely!

Back in the day, the "day" in question being 1965, guns in school was nothing out of the ordinary. Gun safety training was offered at the high school I attended and on the range days seeing kids with guns on buses was totally normal. We had to store them at the Principal's office until range time but the ammo we just carried loose in our pockets. Oh--and no self-respecting lad at my school would EVER be caught without his trusty Barlow pocket knife. Saw a teacher borrow one from a kid one time when the pencil sharpener was on the fritz.

The three biggest behavior problems were talking in class, chewing gum and running in the halls. And even then, you didn't want your parents knowing. Mom and Dad had a talk with each of us at a young age: "never get in trouble at school and complain to us about it, because you'll be in twice as much trouble when you get home". And they meant it.

Oh--just about all of came from two married parents households, raised to take responsibility for our actions, respect hard work, and to take pride in academic accomplishments. One of the proudest days of my high-school life was when I was invited to join the National Honor Society. School was a privilege, not an obligation.

Guns were as deadly back then as they are now. But being raised in the right circumstances, with the right values, meant that we respected guns much as would respect any other tool. Blaming the guns for today's ills is on the same par as blaming the fork because you gained ten pounds. Want to fix the problem? Fix the FAMILY.

Back then there were no 30-round "banana clips" or kevlar vests readily available. Guns were for hunting animals NOT PEOPLE. Today IS VERY different from 1965!