[bmit16]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

And Ted Williams, paid commentator by Fox, should be believed over all of those who see it differently...because?

As far as being "overcharged," we'll see...as that is also arguable.

I think that falls under the phrase..."throwing the book at them."

1. Brooks was shot in the back,TWICE, while running away and not being a deadly threat to the cop (not only is a taser not considered a "deadly" weapon, it was useless after being discharged twice).

2. Rolfe (the skinhead looking shooter cop) kicked Brooks...as Brooks was laying on the ground dying.

3. The other cop (Brosnan), stood on Brooks shoulder...as Brooks was laying on the ground dying.

4. Brosnan 'policing' the brass from the gun, before any attempt at rendering aid to Brooks...who was laying on the ground dying.

5. Rolfe crowing "I got him" after shooting Brooks (twice, in the back, as a reminder).

6. Brosnan is volunteering to be a state witness and step over that "thin blue line"...that has allowed all too many other LEO's in getting off.


Knowing all of these facts, I predict it won't even go to court...but a plea deal will be worked out.

Hopefully, if justice is served...Rolfe will serve a very long time in prison.

I also predict, that there will be a concerted effort to obfuscate/divert/distract/insert "whataboutism"...into this issue/thread.



But back to my question...has anyone (given the additional facts revealed today), changed from their original position?
Y
If not...why not?

You are quoting the alleged facts the DA outlined. They are not actually factual. Number 1, the other officer has not agreed to be a states witness, per his attorney this morning. #2 the DA himself said 2 weeks ago the tazer is a deadly weapon. There are more contradictions to his case but, I think you should wait until court to pass judgement. For those of you who think all these cases are cut and dry, you will find out in the end, that they will not result in the convictions people want because evidence is not being presented by the media that does not favor their agenda. Even the George Floyd case is going to be tough to convict because of evidence not being reported about policy, training and unseen footage. Watch and see!

[RoadToad]

Originally Posted by 44Apple

Seeing how many police officers have cut and run lately is something else. I don't know which is worse, those that quit individually or those who do it "en masse" to leverage their power. These people took an oath and the realization that they can't hack it when their communities really need them to step up, be responsive and accountable is pathetic. Almost makes me wonder if people are quitting because they realize they finally WILL be held accountable and they won't be able to get away with half the stuff they've done in the past.

No, they are quitting because they realize they are in a lose-lose situation.
Damned if you do; damned if you don't.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Girlcopper

Nothing happened. It was fake news as usual just as alot of the facts of this scenario are.
A taser isnt a deadly weapon in itself BUT it could disable the cop giving the suspect the opportunity to take his gun.
Yes, he was shot in the back. He turned, pointed the taser at the cop and as the cop took aim on him, he turned to run.
Suspect had a taser and was running towards people with children in the area who could have gotten hurt.
Yes, the cop did stand on his shoulder until he kicked the gun away from his reach. No way of knowing if the suspect would reach for it again.
I didnt see any video where a cop kicked him in the head. And I watched them all.
Bottom line. Cooperate and everyone goes home happy.

"Fake news as usual?"

When it was the DA that was the one that said it and the media simply reported...exactly what HE said?

And great point about other people being around and could have been hurt, even though absolutely nothing shows that he was..."running towards people with children in the area."

Which, since he was running away, the cops knew who he was, where he lived (because they had his driver's license) and had his car, makes even a stronger case...for just letting him run and pick him up later.

As for the video of Brooks being kicked (I don't recall anyone saying it was "in the head"), apparently you didn't watch ALL of the videos. Depending on what you may use for a news source...not surprising.

Prosecutor: Officer kicked Rayshard Brooks after shooting him twice in the back

Start around 4:00 on the first video.

[donassaid]

The fact remains that it was a good stop and both cops went by the book. They were polite, considerate and professional until they were both assaulted by Brooks and had a weapon taken away. Did Brooks deserve to be shot? Probably not but I will not judge the motivation of policemen who have to make life and death judgement calls in the heat of the moment. One fact is indisputable. Rayshard Brioks would be alive today if he hadn't resisted arrest so let's quit with the martyrdom complex and out the blame where it belongs. In too many instances, black perps are shot or killed in the course of resisting police or running away. Should be a simple solution. If you are arrested, regardless of your skin color or the skin color of the arresting officer, do not resist, do not assault a police officer and you may live to see your day in court.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by 44Apple

Seeing how many police officers have cut and run lately is something else. I don't know which is worse, those that quit individually or those who do it "en masse" to leverage their power. These people took an oath and the realization that they can't hack it when their communities really need them to step up, be responsive and accountable is pathetic.

Almost makes me wonder if people are quitting because they realize they finally WILL be held accountable and they won't be able to get away with half the stuff they've done in the past.

I wonder about the same thing.


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[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by donassaid

The fact remains that it was a good stop and both cops went by the book. They were polite, considerate and professional until they were both assaulted by Brooks and had a weapon taken away. Did Brooks deserve to be shot? Probably not but I will not judge the motivation of policemen who have to make life and death judgement calls in the heat of the moment. One fact is indisputable. Rayshard Brioks would be alive today if he hadn't resisted arrest so let's quit with the martyrdom complex and out the blame where it belongs. In too many instances, black perps are shot or killed in the course of resisting police or running away. Should be a simple solution. If you are arrested, regardless of your skin color or the skin color of the arresting officer, do not resist, do not assault a police officer and you may live to see your day in court.

He would also be alive, if the cop hadn't shot him twice in the back...and they simply picked him up later.

[PugMom]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

And Ted Williams, paid commentator by Fox, should be believed over all of those who see it differently...because?

As far as being "overcharged," we'll see...as that is also arguable.

I think that falls under the phrase..."throwing the book at them."

1. Brooks was shot in the back,TWICE, while running away and not being a deadly threat to the cop (not only is a taser not considered a "deadly" weapon, it was useless after being discharged twice).

2. Rolfe (the skinhead looking shooter cop) kicked Brooks...as Brooks was laying on the ground dying.

3. The other cop (Brosnan), stood on Brooks shoulder...as Brooks was laying on the ground dying.

4. Brosnan 'policing' the brass from the gun, before any attempt at rendering aid to Brooks...who was laying on the ground dying.

5. Rolfe crowing "I got him" after shooting Brooks (twice, in the back, as a reminder).

6. Brosnan is volunteering to be a state witness and step over that "thin blue line"...that has allowed all too many other LEO's in getting off.


Knowing all of these facts, I predict it won't even go to court...but a plea deal will be worked out.

Hopefully, if justice is served...Rolfe will serve a very long time in prison.

I also predict, that there will be a concerted effort to obfuscate/divert/distract/insert "whataboutism"...into this issue/thread.



But back to my question...has anyone (given the additional facts revealed today), changed from their original position?

If not...why not?

just my opinion, but i DO think it was wrong to shoot the man, & i felt it was wrong @ the time. the suspect was being polite & calm. his story of being @ a birthday dinner jibes because he is wearing a collared shirt & slacks. yes, he was impaired, but once out of the car talking to cops u can see he is almost frightened if by reading body language. who can blame him? for weeks he's been seeing all kinds of events in the news, & with a buzz on it 's a bit tougher to analyze things correctly. here's where de-escalation may have been applied?? i think the cop freaked when ray ran & it was prob almost reflex to respond in the way he was trained. idk if this is true, but 1 report said the cop was standing on rays shoulders after being shot in the back 3 times. does anyone really think after being shot in the back 3 times a person can still have the ability to escape? if so, how far could he get before dying where he lay? looks like a change of policy is on order.

[George Page]

In response to the initial question,

“has anyone (given the additional facts revealed today), changed from their original position?”

I hope no one has made up their mind! But, obviously, most of you have. There are precious few potential fair minded juror among you.

[dewilson58]

The second officer fired & shot the thug after he heard a gun shot & saw a flash (even tho it was the taser) and feared for his life and his partner's life.


Will see how this plays out.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by George Page

I hope no one has made up their mind! But, obviously, most of you have. There are precious few potential fair minded juror among you.

innocent until proven

[Russp]

The facts quoted are from a DA trying to keep his job and playing to the protesters. It’s easy to say what you would do, but you are not out there in real time trying to go home at night, or dealing with a guy not wanting to go BACK to jail. The political attitude today is throw the lowest on the ladder to the wolf’s.

I don't agree that if a fleeing criminal is shooting at a police officer that the police officer can't defend himself because his shots would strike the criminal in the back. If someone is running away they aren't going to turn and face you with their chest to fire their weapon, they're simply going to turn enough to get their arm pointing behind them and they don't care about aiming since they don't care what they hit. So, what's a police officer to do? Get shot at until he can shoot at the front on the shooter? Is getting shot at with a taser by a drunk criminal an acceptable risk and therefore deadly force is not warranted?

I believe like most of the world that George Floyd was murdered. He was a criminal but he didn't deserve a death sentence by a hate filled cop.

I support BLM and attempts to rid our world of racism. I don't support violence or fighting with police. I try to understand the fear and anxiety minorities have with police and sympathize with their argument.

I've seen first hand racism here in TV. I also see the view point of middle class whites as being out of touch with the views of low income minorities. It's as simple as follow the rules and the facts are the facts to them.

It's difficult to argue against facts and logic with emotions so both sides can't find support for their views since their point of reference is different.

I think we'll see good cops walk away from their job or emotionally change how they feel about it and both are not the goal of police reform? Will cops that stay decide that if a black suspect resists in any way they're just going to step back and let the guy do whatever he wants? Let society deal with the problem they created? Apathy and self preservation may replace honor and duty?

I don't have the answers but I bet things get worse before they get better. I hope I'm wrong.

[Scorpyo]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

And a whole lot of new, disgusting, info coming out...justifying those charges.

Not to even mention, the cop that didn't shoot is volunteering to testify...as a state witness.

I'm curious to know, if anyone who originally thought this killing was justified...have now changed their minds?

I'm going to go out on a limb here (just kidding, it's not really that hard to predict)...that very few will raise their hands.

I hope, and would be happy...if I'm wrong though.

More to come.

You’re doing what you are accusing the cop of doing. Pulling the trigger too quick. If we have learned anything it’s the story changes not by the day but by the minute. I’m in Alpharetta Georgia (just outside of Atlanta) right now. The non shooting cops attorney was on last night. It is a lie when they said he flipped on the other cop. Also they showed a body cam where the cop is begging the perp to breathe and is giving him CPR. Anyone who believes that mob controlled, up for re-election corrupted DA should come see me. I have a bridge to sell them.

[rmagee]

Comply or die, so simple

[Pegasusprt]

Not to even mention, the cop that didn't shoot is volunteering to testify...as a state witness. Fake News