Ok, the man was not without fault, perhaps several faults. But I don’t see where any of them merited a death sentence, even pointing the taser while running was a pretty low level threat. Did it really warrant death? Perhaps the officer’s reactions can be understood in context of his training or lack of it, so some consideration for that should be shown. Whatever the case, do we really want police officers acting as judge, jury, and executioner? Kind of sounds Judge Dreddish. There is clearly a need for more extensive training of officers on how to handle these situations. If they had let this guy run off they could have caught up to him pretty quickly later. They had his car and his identity, he was not going to get away for long.

[sloanst]

I don't get the killing at all. The police had the guy's car, they had his ID and the results of the Breathalyzer. So he runs, so what. Every cop car has a load speaker. Let him run. Then announce over that load speaker the laws he is breaking and that he will likely spend time behind bars for resisting arrest, assault, evading and eluding, etc. Announce that he will be facing SWAT on the next encounter. Announce that if he comes back its a simple DUI ticket, a night in jail and a day in court, not prison time away from his family. We need to seriously rethink how handle these situations. The police need to be trained. The PUBLIC also needs to be trained as well that you can resist arrest, assault, elude but that next confrontation will be with a lot more people and there will be time in prison. This can not be a one way solution.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by theruizs

Ok, the man was not without fault, perhaps several faults. But I don’t see where any of them merited a death sentence, even pointing the taser while running was a pretty low level threat. Did it really warrant death? Perhaps the officer’s reactions can be understood in context of his training or lack of it, so some consideration for that should be shown. Whatever the case, do we really want police officers acting as judge, jury, and executioner? Kind of sounds Judge Dreddish. There is clearly a need for more extensive training of officers on how to handle these situations. If they had let this guy run off they could have caught up to him pretty quickly later. They had his car and his identity, he was not going to get away for long.

I would add that in addition to "more extensive training," a more robust vetting program (including psychological testing) prior to hiring and regular "mental checkups" after hiring...would go a long way in mitigating these types of incidents.

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by 44Apple

Seeing how many police officers have cut and run lately is something else. I don't know which is worse, those that quit individually or those who do it "en masse" to leverage their power. These people took an oath and the realization that they can't hack it when their communities really need them to step up, be responsive and accountable is pathetic. Almost makes me wonder if people are quitting because they realize they finally WILL be held accountable and they won't be able to get away with half the stuff they've done in the past.

Makes me wonder if a person who would make these type of accusations has ever signed up to risk their life for others, only to have the people they are protecting attack their character and split second decisions from the safety ( provided by them) of their computer chairs.

[Scorpyo]

Originally Posted by Steve9930

Bottom line: The DA is over charging this case. He is using it for his re-election. It will either be a hung jury or an Acquittal. Atlanta will burn. End of story. Time to move on.

Yep. Typical case of Ready Shoot Aim.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

And Ted Williams, paid commentator by Fox, should be believed over all of those who see it differently...because?

As far as being "overcharged," we'll see...as that is also arguable.

I think that falls under the phrase..."throwing the book at them."

1. Brooks was shot in the back,TWICE, while running away and not being a deadly threat to the cop (not only is a taser not considered a "deadly" weapon, it was useless after being discharged twice).

2. Rolfe (the skinhead looking shooter cop) kicked Brooks...as Brooks was laying on the ground dying.

3. The other cop (Brosnan), stood on Brooks shoulder...as Brooks was laying on the ground dying.

4. Brosnan 'policing' the brass from the gun, before any attempt at rendering aid to Brooks...who was laying on the ground dying.

5. Rolfe crowing "I got him" after shooting Brooks (twice, in the back, as a reminder).

6. Brosnan is volunteering to be a state witness and step over that "thin blue line"...that has allowed all too many other LEO's in getting off.


Knowing all of these facts, I predict it won't even go to court...but a plea deal will be worked out.

Hopefully, if justice is served...Rolfe will serve a very long time in prison.

I also predict, that there will be a concerted effort to obfuscate/divert/distract/insert "whataboutism"...into this issue/thread.



But back to my question...has anyone (given the additional facts revealed today), changed from their original position?

If not...why not?

I thought that the kicking and standing-on were particularly bad. I wonder if he had a pulse BEFORE the kicking and the delays? Have Not heard that answered.

[Scorpyo]

Originally Posted by EviesGP

Like others on this forum, I have close relatives in Law Enforcement, and I also worked with them for 10yrs of my life. It's a tough life, and often times, thankless. I can't imagine how they're going to do their jobs after all this? Yes, there are some bad apples, but predominantly, those are rare. I worked with some that were not great cops, and thankfully no longer in the business. All these deaths are tragic, but the victims are hardly innocent lambs in these examples. These officers were called to the scene(s) of these situations. For some to say, just let them walk home, or whatever? Really? Perhaps when you're the victim of a crime, I'd like to see the look on your face, when the officer decides to just let the suspect walk? Like BTK said, just watch what happens if this thinking continues...Sad.
Oh, and I only have one child in this world, and it's a girl(wonderful young lady and mother now). To liken a scantily clad women getting raped, to a person being detained/arrested for committing a crime, is not at all related?!

Very accurate. My son is eligible to retire from NYPD in September with 20 years. He was considering doing another 5. Now that consideration is pretty much in the toilet. Discriminating and over charging a person because he is 1 a cop and 2 white is probably going to result in good cops re-evaluating their unappreciated and disrespected vocation. Yes the result could become very sad. But it doesn’t matter. Political ambitions trump everything else.

[Tennisbum]

Just playing devils advocate here.....a man who just beat you and your partner up, takes off running, turns and from 18 feet fires something at you that flashes...….you have 2 secs to decide if he has pulled out a gun or a taser, and return fire, or let him shoot again......do you want to go home alive or get put in a black bag? Post shooting is a different story. A good lawyer will get him a change of venue with no problem. He will get manslaughter at best!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by B767drvr

Seems like a common thread to all of these deaths is NOT COOPERATING with the police. Quit attacking cops, save your story for the judge, and everyone lives. There are approximately 60 MILLION interactions per year between police and civilians (over 16). Obviously, lots of people are cooperating, but some CHOOSE TO NOT COOPERATE. I wonder why?

I know many Black who are afraid of swimming and water. They did not have access to city pools because they were NOT allowed in. Whites were and became accustomed and adept at swimming. It became an irrational fear of water for Blacks. The Police have taken on a SOMEWHAT (?) type of somewhat irrational fear for Blacks. So, if drunk or high, Blacks are more likely than Whites to run or fight the Police than an identically drunk or high White. It is just enough to drive them over the edge. That would be a good time to have Both Social Workers and Police on the scene.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Tennisbum

Just playing devils advocate here.....a man who just beat you and your partner up, takes off running, turns and from 18 feet fires something at you that flashes...….you have 2 secs to decide if he has pulled out a gun or a taser, and return fire, or let him shoot again......do you want to go home alive or get put in a black bag? Post shooting is a different story. A good lawyer will get him a change of venue with no problem. He will get manslaughter at best!

He had already been patted/searched...so Rolfe knew he didn't have a firearm.

Rolfe also knew that the taser had already been discharged, twice, thus rendering it impotent.

Then there's the "I got him," kicking him and standing on him like a recent trophy killed, all while he was on the ground dying...that should also be considered.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I know many Black who are afraid of swimming and water. They did not have access to city pools because they were NOT allowed in. Whites were and became accustomed and adept at swimming. It became an irrational fear of water for Blacks. The Police have taken on a SOMEWHAT (?) type of somewhat irrational fear for Blacks. So, if drunk or high, Blacks are more likely than Whites to run or fight the Police than an identically drunk or high White. It is just enough to drive them over the edge. That would be a good time to have Both Social Workers and Police on the scene.

In many, the old "lizard brain" is hardwired to be afraid...of young black men.

It might not even be a conscious effort, but simply a reversion to...'reaction, versus thoughtful action.'

[BS Beef]

Ugh, what a mess this thread has become....or actually was from the start. Sorry I let myself get dragged into this by one provocateur. Shame on me, I know better when I see that name.

Bye

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

In many, the old "lizard brain" is hardwired to be afraid...of young black men.

It might not even be a conscious effort, but simply a reversion to...'reaction, versus thoughtful action.'

I always thought that Blacks got treated more equally in the Military than they did as a civilian. Also, it appears like (? I have no definitive proof of this, but) in some European countries, like Germany, France, and Italy, that they have better situations than the US. I have NOT lived there. So, maybe others that have could enlighten me?

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by Buckeye Bob

The charges are premature; a complete investigation hasn't been completed. The prosecutor involved is up for reelection.

DA Says Brooks Wasn’t ‘Threat’ Toward Cop He Shot Taser At, Said Two Weeks Ago Taser Is ‘Considered’ A ‘Deadly Weapon’ | The Daily Wire

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I always thought that Blacks got treated more equally in the Military than they did as a civilian. Also, it appears like (? I have no definitive proof of this, but) in some European countries, like Germany, France, and Italy, that they have better situations than the US. I have NOT lived there. So, maybe others that have could enlighten me?

When it comes to 'military brats' and primarily attending base schools...I can personally attest to your observation being correct.

And upon reflection of myself, goes a long ways in explaining...my disgust for racists, bigots and prejudice.