[asianthree]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Not believing in vaccines IS like a religion. It is like a flat earth society. Measles is the obvious example. It was eradicated in the US for years and THEN the anti-vaxxers come along and RUINED a good thing. Because of their stupidity many people have died and the US has one MORE unnecessary problem to deal with. Way to go anti-vaxxer, anti-government types.

Yet some who were given MMR their titer results show no immunity as a child and adult.
Not only have I had the measles and mumps as a child twice. I was injected with MMR as a child, and adult,
Yet my titer has never wavered. I have no immunity to MMR

I have sever reactions from vaccines and twice anaphylactic. So has my children and grandchildren. Do you have an explanation for vaccine events for some and not for others?

So if I die or my family, am WE in your RUINED, Stupidity, and unnecessary Problem?

Or just one of many who could die because of vaccines with or without.

[ChrisTinaBruce]

I was shocked that it took 27 posts before the extreme increase in vaccinations in children could be a reason for the increase in autism.

Originally Posted by ithos

Vaccines have no link to Autism and Covid originated in a wet market in China. I know this because the Government and the media told me so.

[asianthree]

Originally Posted by ChrisTinaBruce

I was shocked that it took 27 posts before the extreme increase in vaccinations in children could be a reason for the increase in autism.

You also have to understand there are many Autistic Spectrum children who have never had vaccines, ate processed foods, and lived in a healthy environment.

Many who work in the field travel to all parts of the country have spent years searching off the beaten path communities for in-depth analysis on spectrum levels.

[HappyTraveler]

So, I see there is a lot of spinning-out on this thread. The common denominator appears to be coming from the discomfort of some commenters in being unable to answer valid questions. So unsupported claims are made (#51 is a doozy), conjured accusations are made about the viewpoints of strangers (#52 is off on a bender with that. Btw, incorrect - it is very much THE SCIENCE that some of us want and when big pharma is funding their own "science", we aren't getting it) and an overall devolution into semi-hysterics follows.

All of that occurs ^^^ because of the lack of being able to back-up unsupported claims - most which are probably simply repeats coming from TV media. That should cause people to pause, to question themselves about why they don't require solid, objective data before simply taking, or advocating others take, any type of medicine. Perhaps it's an unconscious response in realizing the Covid injections weren't vaccines at all. They neither prevent acquiring the disease nor the transmitting of it. In fact, vast numbers of people who took them proceeded to get horrendous bouts of Covid. Very strange and unsettling, that is.

I'll pose two more important questions (that will likely go unanswered)
For those that simply believe vaccines are miracle drugs that work and have no risk:
-- Why would you care whether someone else declines to take them? If you have and believe you are protected that should be enough for you. Why is it not?
-- If they are safe, why have vaccine manufacturers had immunity from liability for decades? What other huge industry has such protection? Why does big pharma have it for that class of drugs?

[SaucyJim]

Originally Posted by SHIBUMI

It was reported that 1 in 31 newborns will have autism. Autism does have different levels, say 1-5 which it never had in the past, 50's or 60's. So diagnosis is much better now where it was minimal years ago. In the 70's it was 1 in 54.

So part of the reason is better diagnosis. However, what is around today that wasn't around in the 60's. You guessed it Marijuana!

The numbers have risen because of the spectrum expansion. By today's standard, I was an autistic child. Back then, however, I was just considered socially awkward, emotionally immature, and "gifted" in my school studies. How else does one continually make honor role while receiving the dreaded "U" (unsatisfactory) in conduct?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by HappyTraveler

I'll pose two more important questions (that will likely go unanswered)
For those that simply believe vaccines are miracle drugs that work and have no risk:
-- Why would you care whether someone else declines to take them? If you have and believe you are protected that should be enough for you. Why is it not?
-- If they are safe, why have vaccine manufacturers had immunity from liability for decades? What other huge industry has such protection? Why does big pharma have it for that class of drugs?

The reason it doesn't get answered is because your question is based on something that isn't true in the first place.

Everyone knows there are risks when getting a vaccine, of any kind, no matter who they are. You present a fallacy of many questions - you start out with the premise that something untrue, is true, and base your questions off the untrue premise.

[HappyTraveler]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

The reason it doesn't get answered is because your question is based on something that isn't true in the first place.

Everyone knows there are risks when getting a vaccine, of any kind, no matter who they are. You present a fallacy of many questions - you start out with the premise that something untrue, is true, and base your questions off the untrue premise.

Well, my statement was proven prescient quickly. Unwilling to answer valid questions and, instead, a contorted, non-reality based response was posted.

Of course, millions of people don't realize the risks of MANY drugs that they take. Otherwise, the many class-action lawsuits against pharma manufacturers wouldn't take place. They don't happen without substantial injury or death having occurred. It's highly likely the majority of those that took the drugs in question did not receive full (any?) disclosure of risks from their Doctor and didn't read the included potential risks/disclaimer sheets themselves.

I inquired of a handful of people in the Covid injection era whether they had asked for that disclaimer when getting a shot or sourced it online beforehand. To a person, they all said "No"....and a couple of them looked at me like I was a Martian. They had no idea what I was talking about. (Had they read those disclosures, plenty would have been too anxious to take them b/c they were scary indeed.)

If plenty don't ask for those disclosures now, most certainly they weren't decades back. Blind faith, apparently. "Trust the man". I feel sure my mother didn't ask a single question about vaccines 50 - 60 years ago or any other drug we, or she, was prescribed. She wasn't an outlier, that was common. It still is.

-- Why would you care whether someone else declines to take them?

-- Why have vaccine manufacturers had immunity from liability for decades?

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by HappyTraveler

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-- Why would you care whether someone else declines to take them?

-- Why have vaccine manufacturers had immunity from liability for decades?

1A. While those I care about and I are protected by the vaccines, we are more protected if the viruses are not spreading in the first place.
- I both wear a seat belt AND avoid accidents
- I would prefer if no one peed in the pool, I would REALLY prefer it most people didn't pee in the pool, and the more people who pee in the pool, the more likely I will be affected by it regardless of the measures I take.

1B. Not everyone *can* be protected by the vaccine; we read about one in this thread and I know another. Those who choose not to put these people at risk unnecessarily.

2. Because there are too many deniers (and unscrupulous lawyers) looking for money who will bankrupt a company through frivolous lawsuits. There is no need for the lawsuits to have any merit, just the cost of defending against them will hurt the company (Corning silicon, J&J talc). The Govt has an interest in protecting the public, the vaccine manufacturers have an interest in protecting themselves, limitations on liability attempt to satisfy both.