[Swoop]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

It would help if people didn't assume negative intent and would comment on what was said and not an "interpretation" of what was said. At no point did the post referenced say they thought insurance companies "shouldn't" cover people.

Insurance companies are in business to make money, if they begin losing money to large numbers of cases requiring long-term expensive health care intervention, then the odds are they will "wise up" and charge more or refuse to cover.

So, since insurance companies are in business to make money, and obese and overweight people cost them much more money than people who are not, are you suggesting insurance companies will “wise up” and refuse to insure, or start charging overweight people more for coverage?!?

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Swoop

So, since insurance companies are in business to make money, and obese and overweight people cost them much more money than people who are not, are you suggesting insurance companies will “wise up” and refuse to insure, or start charging overweight people more for coverage?!?

I am not the original poster you responded to, so I can only speak for myself.

I personally think Health Insurance is a crime. I think holding people's children's health hostage is a criminal and despicable act.

That said, I believe the health insurance companies will do whatever they can get away with to make more money. Period. Full Stop. Notice I did not mention if what they decide on is legal, I don't think that matters to them, it is simply yet another cost consideration in their decision making.

So, yes, I think insurance companies will do anything, including refusing to cover people, charging more, and dropping coverage for any reason they can come up with. I had a close friend that worked for an insurance company. She was in a department called "Loss Prevention". Her job was to find ways to NOT pay medical bill claims that would otherwise be covered by the policy. She was VERY good at her job.

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by OhioBuckeye

Guess the beer companies think everyone drinks. I got both my Covid shots & I never got rewarded!

Yes, you did. With immunity!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

It would help if people didn't assume negative intent and would comment on what was said and not an "interpretation" of what was said. At no point did the post referenced say they thought insurance companies "shouldn't" cover people.

Insurance companies are in business to make money, if they begin losing money to large numbers of cases requiring long-term expensive health care intervention, then the odds are they will "wise up" and charge more or refuse to cover.

That's what I meant. Which is crazy, since that's also what I wrote. Amazing.

There's this funny little thing called "natural consequences." Some examples: If you bang your head hard enough on a brick wall, you just might end up with a cracked skull. That would be a natural consequence.

Another example: if you walk into a bank, unmasked, unarmed, and tell the bank teller out loud that you will need to rob her and for her to give over all her money, you'll most likely be arrested. Natural consequence.

Another example: if you cross the street without looking both ways during rush hour at a busy intersection, you will most likely be hit by a car, OR cause the cars around you to hit each other in the process of avoiding you. That's a natural consequence.

Action, reaction.

If enough people refuse to vaccinate, and have no valid medical reason to refuse, and in turn end up with COVID-19, the insurance companies might very well start saying "we will only cover your COVID-19 illness if you are either vaccinated, or have a valid medical reason for refusing."

And since they're the health insurance company, they get to decide what a "valid medical reason" is.

Natural consequence. It's not a threat, it's not a wish. It's just one of those things that are likely to happen as a reaction to an action.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

That's what I meant. Which is crazy, since that's also what I wrote. Amazing.

There's this funny little thing called "natural consequences." Some examples: If you bang your head hard enough on a brick wall, you just might end up with a cracked skull. That would be a natural consequence.

Another example: if you walk into a bank, unmasked, unarmed, and tell the bank teller out loud that you will need to rob her and for her to give over all her money, you'll most likely be arrested. Natural consequence.

Another example: if you cross the street without looking both ways during rush hour at a busy intersection, you will most likely be hit by a car, OR cause the cars around you to hit each other in the process of avoiding you. That's a natural consequence.

Action, reaction.

If enough people refuse to vaccinate, and have no valid medical reason to refuse, and in turn end up with COVID-19, the insurance companies might very well start saying "we will only cover your COVID-19 illness if you are either vaccinated, or have a valid medical reason for refusing."

And since they're the health insurance company, they get to decide what a "valid medical reason" is.

Natural consequence. It's not a threat, it's not a wish. It's just one of those things that are likely to happen as a reaction to an action.

Like I said, you didn't say "should" you said "could" or might. But, it is "reasonable" that insurance. companies would take actions to protect their profects.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

That's what I meant. Which is crazy, since that's also what I wrote. Amazing.

There's this funny little thing called "natural consequences." Some examples: If you bang your head hard enough on a brick wall, you just might end up with a cracked skull. That would be a natural consequence.

Another example: if you walk into a bank, unmasked, unarmed, and tell the bank teller out loud that you will need to rob her and for her to give over all her money, you'll most likely be arrested. Natural consequence.

Another example: if you cross the street without looking both ways during rush hour at a busy intersection, you will most likely be hit by a car, OR cause the cars around you to hit each other in the process of avoiding you. That's a natural consequence.

Action, reaction.

If enough people refuse to vaccinate, and have no valid medical reason to refuse, and in turn end up with COVID-19, the insurance companies might very well start saying "we will only cover your COVID-19 illness if you are either vaccinated, or have a valid medical reason for refusing."

And since they're the health insurance company, they get to decide what a "valid medical reason" is.

Natural consequence. It's not a threat, it's not a wish. It's just one of those things that are likely to happen as a reaction to an action.

And if you keep eating foods high in carbohydrates and fat and don’t exercise regularly you’ll continue to gain weight, which makes you a much greater health risk...

“And since they're the health insurance company, they get to decide what a "valid medical reason" is.”

“Natural consequence. It's not a threat, it's not a wish. It's just one of those things that are likely to happen as a reaction to an action.”

[Saluce]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

If the United States reaches the President's vaccination goal by the Fourth of July, Anheuser-Busch will buy all adults a round of beer.

Sounds patriotic to me - I wonder how long before this thread gets locked, it's a positive thread, not a complaint or political, but I am betting it lasts about a day - LOL!

(BTW: I don't drink anything - anymore - and don't recommend any does, but I think it is nice to see a company pitching in and trying to help)

Patriotic? Sounds like Bribery to me.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by billethkid

So the assessment is....all it takes is to offer a free beer.

What does that indicate?!

It indicates 2 things. ( 1 )A company that is either getting (almost) free PR or wanting to do their civic duty and nudge US society into doing the RIGHT thing - maybe both are true. ( 2 ) A situation where people are waiting on the fence for something or someone to push them in a direction. Note that if ONE Corporation gives away one small reward, then maybe (?) it will influence MANY other Corporations to do the same RIGHT thing. Then, the rewards will be GREAT for a GREAT cause - what could be greater than the health of the country and the prevention of many American DEATHS and suffering!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

I never particularly liked A&B beers when I was drinking, but it's the gesture I appreciate. Corporate responsibility is so lacking today, any sign of it is refreshing.

Love that white dog! And I believe that Corporations, in general, are now getting better at taking social responsibility. Their customers are more involved and vocal on social media than ever before. Social medial has a powerful upside as well as a downside!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by fishon

According to The Villages Daily Sun only 55% of people over 55 in Sumter County have been vaccinated.
Appointments have not been necessary for a week or two now for all persons above the age of 12.
Apparently interest in vaccinations is on the wane.

OK and that is a VERY bad thing for humans and the US of A - and a VERY good thing for the mutating of the virus.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Petersweeney

1/3 of global beer market is AB/InBev a Belgian company.... they could put the vaccine in the beer - and solve the problem

I liked that one!!!!!!!!!!! Kudos!

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Love that white dog! And I believe that Corporations, in general, are now getting better at taking social responsibility. Their customers are more involved and vocal on social media than ever before. Social medial has a powerful upside as well as a downside!

I think they are, but not just out of the kindness of their hearts.

Exxon just replaced two board members with climate change-friendly members because of promotion by a hedge fund with a growing number of climate-friendly members.

Once again, change in this country is, IMNSHO, almost entirely driven by money - in this case, climate-friendly retirees investing in a hedge fund to express their wants and desires via their money. While not a complete "'coup" it is a step in the right direcrtion.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by mike234

I can see the villagers lining up for free stuff now. and when they order, these cheapskates will ask "is this free?" and if these cheapskates get it for free, they will only leave a .50 cent tip....I get embarrassed by my friends, who are really cheapskates, and stiff waiters and waiters constantly.....I call them pikers.. they will order an ice tea, and charge it....

Sorry about your friends. Since it bothers you, maybe you should get NEW friends. As to the charge card usage, young people are moving away from cash to a cashless society. That trend won't be reversing any time soon!

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Love that white dog! And I believe that Corporations, in general, are now getting better at taking social responsibility. Their customers are more involved and vocal on social media than ever before. Social medial has a powerful upside as well as a downside!

You are so correct about social responsibility awakening with social media.

Used to be that the old Freidman philosophy about the only thing that counts is the money....that is changing with our younger folks and while seeing corporate INDIVIDUALS GAIN so much during COVID, I think there is an awakening that instead of so much stress on the shareholders and money......corporations are waking up and understanding the responsibility to society has been ignored. See the HUGE diversity in income and worth between different stratas and how it continues to grow wider....that is hard to ignore.

I grew up when the only thing that counted was the bottom line.......watching the happenings,I now think we are actually able to make a profit and also profit the world and the country at the same time.

It is hard with that "downside" being so loud to see the "upside" but I trust in our young people.

[Marty94]

Okay, I’m ready!