[Joe V.]

Originally Posted by Byte1

How many on here hid under your desks during an air raid drill, thinking that you would survive a nuclear attack?

Even at 8 years old we all knew that ducking under that little wooden desk was a cruel joke.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by oneclickplus

That's because you are being lied to and intentionally misled.

Cliff notes:

Fully vaccinated people are contracting COVID-19; Fauci is "taking it seriously"; many breakthrough cases right here in central Florida; growing number of people getting COVID-19 who have been FULLY vaccinated; will have to continue social distancing and wearing masks (LOL - what is the vaccine for again?).

Hanna Rewerts (healthcare worker) regarding the vaccines: "I don't think the public is aware that it doesn't mean you're not getting the virus ... and it doesn't mean you're not getting sick".

Pfizer & Moderna vaccines are 95% effective (but not for the variants); those vaccinated have destroyed their innate immune system and are greatly vulnerable to the variants; much more vulnerable than those who are not taking these shots. This is what happens when people ignore real scientists and prefer to listen to political hacks (Fauci).

FACT: Everyone will eventually be exposed to the virus; that is inevitable. Those who relied on their innate immune system will have a robust defense against COVID-19 and all the variants (which, by the way, are primarily caused by mass vaccinations). Those who took Moderna & Pfizer shots (but not J&J and AstraZeneca) are 95% protected from the SINGULAR original COVID-19 for which their cells were hijacked to make that SINGULAR spike protein. When exposed to the many variants multiplying daily, their bodies will simply not be able to defend from them.

I think for breakfast, I am going to go have an orange (Vitamin C), and some yogurt topped with pumpkin seeds (Zinc) and maybe a couple of Brazil nuts (Selenium) ... then go sit outside in the sun for 10-15 minutes making Vitamin D out of cholesterol. That's all my immune system needs; yours too (if you haven't had Moderna / Pfizer).

After all the variants demonstrate the foolishness of this mass vaccination experiment, it's those of us who did NOT get vaccinated that will be given "passports" for cruising / travel / etc. Vaccinated people will be the ones susceptible to ... getting sick from ... and contagious with ... the multiple variants.

Masks on everyone.

Dozens in Central Florida contract COVID-19 after being fully vaccinated - YouTube

And they can't be sued for anything related to these vaccines

Why Pfizer And Moderna Can't Be Sued For Covid Vaccine Side Effects - YouTube

Lots of errors and strangeness.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by oneclickplus

And their own immune systems can't protect them from the variants as it has been compromised by the Moderna / Pfizer vaccines. Those who took the J&J / Astra Zeneca vaccines (or no vaccine) still have a chance to protect, boost and rely upon their own immune systems for the tsunami of variants heading our way. Don't be a lemming.

Why the anti-science sales pitch? Too much Qanon in someone's media habits?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

Agreed. Even with the extremely slight possibility of contracting the virus after vaccination, there are less than 10 worldwide that have died after inoculation. Nearly every positive Covid test after inoculation was the result of someone having the test down for another reason than symptoms.

We can can only contribute our part to herd immunity by getting the vaccine. Those who decline must be responsible for their own health. We should not be forced to change our lifestyle or comfort for those who decline to do so.

The world and society are interconnected. We do NOT live on the frontier anymore.

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Some few people have become infected with Covid after being vaccinated. That is what the report that prompted this thread was all about.

There was no mention of variants in that particular report.

Correct, so the poster was wrong. Also there is doubt that those who contracted it had gone through the necessary 2 weeks after the second dose for max immunity.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Byte1

The graphs fail to show reality. The graphs are based on the amount of positive test results, not how many NEW infected. If one person shows a positive result, then that person returns over and over again for testing until they show a negative result. Each one of those test results are counted as an additional infected. The test results and the reporting system are both flawed.

In Florida, the problem is undercounted CV cases and hospitalizations, not overcounted cases.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Byte1

I've been inoculated and that's about as far as I go at this point in time. I do not wear my mask unless a business requires it. Sorry, but your fear mongering does not effect me. If you are scared, then stay home, period. The death rate is receding, and now someone has decided that we have to have a new boogieman, such as a new variant of the old. I am not going to become a pin cushion to make others feel all "warm and fuzzy." I have never had the flu and do not get the flu shot. If I do get the flu in the future, I probably won't get the shot at my age. I do not care what you do and encourage you to do what you feel is right for YOU. Do not presume to shame me into doing what you deem appropriate for my life, meaning that it is actually for YOUR life. Do not ever think that saying someone is not being "patriotic" like a certain clown on TV recently said, is going to effect me. After you have walked in my shoes, you can determine whether or not I am not a "patriot." If you believe everything that the gov tells you to be factual and true, then you should go ahead and line up for every vaccination available.
If you wish to criticize me, I will be the one NOT wearing a mask in public or wearing a window screen mask in stores requiring the wearing of a mask. If you have a problem with that, then stay away from me. "Selfish?" I am not the one demanding that others conform to my standards and whims. You do what you wish to do and stay your distance from me. I am more worried about catching your "stupid" than catching a flu or virus.

Nice to know that some people have evolved to the "beyond shaming" higher level. And nice to know that government is such a boogie-man - the great Greek and Roman civilizations must have been mis-evolvements of the society of their times - as ours is in modern times. And it MUST be true that there is a whole Pandemic of "stupid" going around!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Pachine58

Did you read the side of the box the masks came in? Masks do not stop the virus. And vaccine, they have no idea how long they last or how effective they are on people. It’s all a crap shoot.

There is no truth or helpful information there?????

[bpascani]

It is my understanding that, even having had the 'shots', you can still transmit the virus, if you are not diligent about washing hands, if you get a "cold', etc. You can even get Covid, BUT, if you do, your case will be milder... SO, if that is the case, YES, you can transmit, either by having 'dirty' hands, clothes,etc...OR having the virus (very mild case), and don't realize it. SO, having already having both. I can't WAIT to see my grandkids after 15+ months, BUT, here in TV, I will wear a mask, wash hands frequently, maintain social distancing when around others that I don't know. BUT, I will be going out and about!!

[blueash]

Originally Posted by blueash
Lordy lordy. How can you not be aware of the many many reports of fully immunized people getting Covid. The very fact that the vaccine efficacy is NOT 100% tells you that in the licensing studies there were breakthrough cases.

Let's see what FoxNews has to say on this subject

Can I still spread the coronavirus after I'''m vaccinated? | Fox News

Their answer is yes you can including this piece of FoxNews advice:

Originally Posted by Byte1

Sorry but "they said" does not equate to Proof.

You did click on the links didn't you?

Please tell me what would constitute proof that you would accept? Would the original drug testing of the vaccines showing breakthrough cases be proof? Would first person news reports from people who were immunized and got Covid later be proof? Would articles in the world's most important journals like the New England Journal of Medicine, Lancet, Jama be proof? What are you willing to read with a slightly open mind that would convince you that it really is true, completely unequivocally true that people can complete their vaccines plus two weeks and still get Covid ?

If you tell me that nothing will change your mind about the topic while I find that sad that someone could be so closed minded and unwilling to learn from evidence that a belief they held was wrong, I can accept that there are such people in the world and move on.

[stanley]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

In Florida, the problem is undercounted CV cases and hospitalizations, not overcounted cases.

Proof?

[blueash]

Originally Posted by Byte1

...
CDC says that once we are vaccinated we won't pass it on to anyone else. Hey, I didn't make that up, they did.

Another wrong statement by you. You did make that up. Why don't you link to sources when you write? Because then it would be so much easier for people to fact check your false statements, or the occasional true one.

Here is what the CDC on its website says about vaccinated people being able to pass it on.

When You’ve Been Fully Vaccinated
How to Protect Yourself and Others

Updated Apr. 2, 2021

We’re still learning how vaccines will affect the spread of COVID-19. After you’ve been fully vaccinated against COVID-19, you should keep taking precautions – like wearing a mask, staying 6 feet apart from others, and avoiding crowds and poorly ventilated spaces – in public places until we know more.

We’re still learning how well COVID-19 vaccines keep people from spreading the disease.

Is that clear enough for you? It does not say that people cannot spread Covid. It says the data is not yet available to make a determination. That's how science works. You collect data before you announce a conclusion. Then you continue to monitor the situation as new data may alter the conclusion. It may even change the advise 180 degrees. But as of April 2, yesterday, the CDC has made absolutely no statement that vaccinated persons cannot spread Covid.

[Hifred]

Originally Posted by stephen.q.pankow

Just a guess here, but the most likely explanation that I can think of is that since there's no way to readily tell if someone has been vaccinated or not, the decision to wear a mask or not would be on the honor system. Her and Fauci's concern isn't so much that people who have been vaccinated will spread the virus, it's more that people who haven't been vaccinated will no longer feel the social pressure to wear a mask, and that they'll be the ones spreading it.

No this is not the reason. There is no vaccine that is 100% effective. The Covid vaccines in various research shows an approximate rate of 90% effective. That means out of 100 people about 10 are not going to be protected by the vaccine. What makes a vaccine protect all people is when everyone is vaccinated even if you are in the 10 that the vaccine does not work for no one around you will have the illness and therefore you don't get it. Even though today everyone for the most part gets vaccinated for the measles. But you will hear from time to time of outbreaks of measles caused by there being some who don't get the vaccine and spread it to some for whom the vaccine is not effective. Everyone vaccinated or not needs to continue to wear a mask!!! Wash hands!!! until the virus is under control.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by blueash

I don't understand your experience. If in April 2020 you have a test showing you had antibodies to Covid possibly related to your illness in Jan 2020 then in April 2020 you had your answer. You likely had Covid. Why would you have had any further tests done? If you had Covid antibodies in April 2020 you would have them still in May and June and July etc for some time. Unless you were in a study to determine duration of antibodies there was no clinical reason to test you or any other members of your family that also had antibodies. There also was no reason to be doing nasal swabs on you unless you had new Covid symptoms or had a need to be tested for travel or contact tracing.

I also don't understand the last sentence... "if I have an actual positive Covid test" I thought you wrote you had already had 12 positive tests, were those actual tests?

I agree, you SHOULD still have antibodies. But remember, last Spring the "party line" was "we don't know how long the antibodies will last..."

I also had Civid last year. It was very early March...

Didn't even know I had it. I had a low grade fever (99.6°-99.7°) for 36 hours, along with some body aches and chills. No significant cough.

Turns out (thru back tracking), I caught it from a patient, who subsequently died when he refused to go to the ER as I instructed him to do...

I wanted a covid test, but at the time (early March, 2020) I didn't qualify for one...

When the antibody test became available (a few months later), I had blood drawn and low and behold, I was positive for the antibodies.

I had a repeat test in September, then again in November, while doing blood work for another issue (they were still going with "We don't know how long the antibodies will last"). I was positive both times...

I was going to wait on getting the vaccine (so not to take it from someone who really needed it), but after consulting with MY Dr, and doing the research, we decided I should get it, since I was a health care worker (and under 65). First shot (Moderna), was right after the New Year and the 2nd one, 4 weeks later...

My wife was finally able to register (she's not yet 65, either) and is getting the J&J tomorrow... Our main residence is in MD, and the distribution here has been god-awful!

Oh, and she caught Covid from me, back in March of last year and her last antibody test was in December (still positive)...

I wear a mask all day in the office, when requested to by stores, or when in a big crowd. I always have one in my pocket...

Is it a PITA? Yup! Is it the end of the world? Nope! Do I think some of it is overkill? Most certainly...

[Justus]

Originally Posted by donassaid

Because the vaccines and mask wearing are FAKE SCIENCE. Now we are being told that the vaccine won't protect against "variants", may only last 6 months, will not keep you from getting the virus, etc. How gullible can you be to believe anything put out by the CDC and Fauci who have been wrong about everything? All for a virus with a 99% survival rate.

Spot on! Control of the masses. What will come next, once this mechanism has outlived its usefulness...