[Escape Artist]

Originally Posted by Byte1

New information is always interesting to me, BUT I would also appreciate it if they would give the positive along with the negative.
For instance, a friend of mine was about hysterical about the spike in Covid cases this month. I found it interesting, BUT since he seemed to be hyperventilating I decided to look up a figure that everyone should be able to appreciate. Turns out that the death rate in his state for the whole month was less than ONE DAY in the past Jan.
Maybe the Delta virus is less deadly.
Maybe the vaccination is making the virus less deadly.
Who knows? Instead of crying about how dark it is in the tunnel, how about thinking about that light that we can see at the end of the tunnel and keep on trucking towards it?

Yes, you're correct. The Delta variant is not as virulent/powerful but it is more contagious/easily spread. The scary variant, which apparently has been contained, is the South African variant, which had ravaged Brazil.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Good morning to you too, neighbor and friend. Who ****ed in your Wheaties?

Gracie....you are such a card!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by heenables

It was designed to have major breakthrough and the same death rate as the unvaccinated? Sounds reasonable... Now the comments of well there will be clusters etc. It's one of the only studies that shows the facts as they really are and I don't think many people here want to hear how many people are vulnerable to breakthrough after being vaccinated. I think the more major point of this study is stop pointing fingers at the unvaccinated with no proof and be concerned about yourself. You don't need to worry about me because I'm surely not worried about you. Put your mask on and hide in your home because there is a miniscule chance that either jabbed or not you will die.

There IS a simple PROOF about the difference in danger and risk of going UNvaccinated versus vaccinated. In the south-central US (aka land of the UNvaccinated), 99% of those people on ventilators and struggling to BREATHE are the UNvaccinated. Most of those near DEATH would like to be able to go back and take the vaccine - the nurses have quoted, "I am very sorry, but it is too late"! Reference Dr. Hoteze of Baylor U. and Dr. Vin Gupta and many other medical experts that have been interviewed about this subject for, at least, the last 2 weeks!

I don't understand the reluctance to accept Science and information that saves lives, both mine and yours. One Washington insider from the south-central US recently went so far as to laugh about Science in general. That could never have happened in the 1960s when Americans were PROUD that the US had caught up with the Russians in rocket and satellite launching. No one LAUGHED at Science then. Are there burkas in the future for all US women - back to the dark ages? What happened to America? Recently, America lost a Pentagon "war games" exercise to both Russia and China. When will the downside stop?

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by Byte1

New information is always interesting to me, BUT I would also appreciate it if they would give the positive along with the negative.
For instance, a friend of mine was about hysterical about the spike in Covid cases this month. I found it interesting, BUT since he seemed to be hyperventilating I decided to look up a figure that everyone should be able to appreciate. Turns out that the death rate in his state for the whole month was less than ONE DAY in the past Jan.
Maybe the Delta virus is less deadly.
Maybe the vaccination is making the virus less deadly.
Who knows? Instead of crying about how dark it is in the tunnel, how about thinking about that light that we can see at the end of the tunnel and keep on trucking towards it?

Yes, but what bothers me is not necessarily dying. Once you’re gone, you’re gone. It is the long Covid which can occur after mild illness too. Quality of life. That is what scares me.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Patriceunger

Agree!
“CDC recently updated estimated infection fatality rates for COVID. Here are the updated survival rates by age group:

0-19: 99.997%
20-49: 99.98%
50-69: 99.5%
70+: 94.6%”

Yet here we go again with vaccinated people masking up, discussions of schools possibly not opening up, and I guess next up are the business closures and churches again??? This is nuts!

Simple solution......everyone eligible for vaccination should get themselves vaccinated. I would bet real money that if that were to be accomplished in this country, we would not be looking down the nose at lockdowns or masking for the masses. I blame the anti-vaxxers, hesitant- vaxxers and those fake religious exemptions vaxxers for this mess.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Velvet

She IS superior (mentally)… even if she does come across a little ascorbic at times. Some people are born with more etc. than others…. LOL ….Been where you’re at though, I get it.

OBB has a way with words and can give it to the best of 'em. I LOVE her delivery, candor and most of her her exquisite sarcasm.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Byte1

New information is always interesting to me, BUT I would also appreciate it if they would give the positive along with the negative.
For instance, a friend of mine was about hysterical about the spike in Covid cases this month. I found it interesting, BUT since he seemed to be hyperventilating I decided to look up a figure that everyone should be able to appreciate. Turns out that the death rate in his state for the whole month was less than ONE DAY in the past Jan.
Maybe the Delta virus is less deadly.
Maybe the vaccination is making the virus less deadly.
Who knows? Instead of crying about how dark it is in the tunnel, how about thinking about that light that we can see at the end of the tunnel and keep on trucking towards it?

WOW......such an upbeat sentiment from you. Thank you.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Velvet

Yes, but what bothers me is not necessarily dying. Once you’re gone, you’re gone. It is the long Covid which can occur after mild illness too. Quality of life. That is what scares me.

Speaking of the Covid long haul side effects..........anyone know if fully vaccinated people who get infected then recover suffer long haul effects?

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Velvet

Yes, but what bothers me is not necessarily dying. Once you’re gone, you’re gone. It is the long Covid which can occur after mild illness too. Quality of life. That is what scares me.

Tell me that you are not going to allow fear to rule your life this far into your tenure? There are too many "what if's" in this lifetime to bother wasting time on things that haven't happened yet. Do your best to prepare and leave the rest of the worrying up to GOD. Just my opinion.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Speaking of the Covid long haul side effects..........anyone know if fully vaccinated people who get infected then recover suffer long haul effects?

Good question! And interesting, compared to all the hysteria we get on here every time some new information is presented. I wonder if maybe the "long haul effects" might be more serious in conjunction with how serious the infection suffered. Perhaps, the "effects" might be lighter or even non-existent in those that have been vaccinated and infected? Just my speculation. We seem to have a few "experts" on here that I am sure will enlighten us with their experience related to contagious diseases.

Originally Posted by Irishmen

I feel terrible for the good people of Australia under the gun of military now. The authoritism does not match

Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by John41

Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin

That's a good reminder to all of those that wish our gov to mandate everything FOR us.

[Escape Artist]

Originally Posted by Velvet

Yes, but what bothers me is not necessarily dying. Once you’re gone, you’re gone. It is the long Covid which can occur after mild illness too. Quality of life. That is what scares me.

A lot of viruses "come back" like chicken pox/shingles. Many virus strains sequester in your body for many years and screw up your immune system like Guillan-Barre and Epstein-Barr syndromes, fibromyalgia, Lyme Disease (which they should hurry up and find a cure/prevention for because it has destroyed so many lives of people I know).

[kenoc7]

Originally Posted by Bonnevie

cue all the CDC and Fauci hating replies. no matter what the facts, many choose not to believe them. people fail to understand that a virus changes....so what was said a month ago may not be the same as today. the only way to get rid of it is to stop providing hosts.

A century ago, balancing the tension between individual liberties and public safety, the Supreme Court upheld the ability of state and local governments to enforce mandatory vaccination laws. “In every well-ordered society charged with the duty of conserving the safety of its members,” wrote Justice John Marshall Harlan, “the rights of the individual … may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be subjected to such restraint, to be enforced by reasonable regulations, as the safety of the general public may demand.”

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Spalumbos62

I can't tell what you are more mad at...the immigrants for coming in, or that they aren't vaccinated. Maybe they can't get the vaccine because they need to show proof of citizenship, which of course they don't have. The circle continues.
So maybe, instead of bit#$ing that they are here w/o a vaccine, yet happy they are doing the hot roofing jobs, the employer- and I use that term loosely- should provide the service of a vaccine. Of course there is just something not right about this suggestion, it would certainly solve the problem.

I agree, but I would like to add. US citizens will do ANY job today - IF they are paid enough. Science is on the verge of having A.I. AND ROBOTICS that can do ANY dangerous or difficult job. ALL these legal AND illegal worker-type immigrants will be UNNEEDED and unemployed in 40 years. That will cause social problems then. Why is the US so BAD at long-term planning?