[Scott O]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

That means one less card I have to carry in my purse or worry about losing. If they learn how to successfully chip all my cards and keys, I'll be one darned happy camper. With a lighter purse. Or maybe no purse at all. No more purses that can be stolen or pickpocketed! No more mens' trousers wearing out at the back or front pocket.

ALL that information is stuff you carry on you anyway - and it can easily be stolen by someone with agile fingers. At least if you're chipped - some random Joe can't take it from you.

Maybe put the chip on the inside of the elbow - not likely anyone with a scanner will be able to scan that without being noticed!

I'm all for it.

Then you go for it, as for the rest of us...no, not ever...

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

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3. 500 people haven't died from vaccines. There are NO reports of death as a direct result of the vaccine. There are reports of a handful (not 500) of people who have had the vaccine... and subsequently died. But there has been no actual link made to those vaccines and the deaths at this point. One is still under investigation.

I believe this is true but this seems inconsistent with the labeling of COVID deaths.

We have seen arguments where deaths from non-Covid causes were still considered Covid deaths because Covid likely contributed to the death - the person with the heart problem would be alive today were it not for the additional stress caused by Covid. Only a subset of the deaths were from Covid alone but all should be considered Covid deaths.

Now we see deaths that occur shortly after an injection but are being told that the measure is not coincidence or correlation but that it must be provable that the death was a directly result of the vaccination. To a dumb engineer like me, it seems the criteria has been changed to fit the desired narrative.

[Dreah]

Deniers only PROLONG the country opening back up like normal. Gee, thanks.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

I believe this is true but this seems inconsistent with the labeling of COVID deaths.

We have seen arguments where deaths from non-Covid causes were still considered Covid deaths because Covid likely contributed to the death - the person with the heart problem would be alive today were it not for the additional stress caused by Covid. Only a subset of the deaths were from Covid alone but all should be considered Covid deaths.

Now we see deaths that occur shortly after an injection but are being told that the measure is not coincidence or correlation but that it must be provable that the death was a directly result of the vaccination. To a dumb engineer like me, it seems the criteria has been changed to fit the desired narrative.

So far, we DO have deaths from people positive for COVID-19 that are PROVEN to have been caused by COVID-19. There are also lots of people who died, who had COVID, but did not have COVID deaths. Such as some guy with no symptoms, who fell down the stairs and broke his neck. That doesn't get counted as a COVID death even if he had COVID.

We do NOT have deaths from people who were vaccinated that were PROVEN to have been caused by the vaccine.

I don't see any conflict here at all.

[Moderator]

Another thread that can't stay away from politics and personal attacks.

The next time we have to clean this thread up it will be closed.

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[Love2Swim]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

I believe this is true but this seems inconsistent with the labeling of COVID deaths.

We have seen arguments where deaths from non-Covid causes were still considered Covid deaths because Covid likely contributed to the death - the person with the heart problem would be alive today were it not for the additional stress caused by Covid. Only a subset of the deaths were from Covid alone but all should be considered Covid deaths.

Now we see deaths that occur shortly after an injection but are being told that the measure is not coincidence or correlation but that it must be provable that the death was a directly result of the vaccination. To a dumb engineer like me, it seems the criteria has been changed to fit the desired narrative.

I would expect the stress from a severe case of Covid would more likely contribute to death in a heart patient, rather than getting a vaccine would.

[Love2Swim]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

So far, we DO have deaths from people positive for COVID-19 that are PROVEN to have been caused by COVID-19. There are also lots of people who died, who had COVID, but did not have COVID deaths. Such as some guy with no symptoms, who fell down the stairs and broke his neck. That doesn't get counted as a COVID death even if he had COVID.

We do NOT have deaths from people who were vaccinated that were PROVEN to have been caused by the vaccine.

I don't see any conflict here at all.

[NoMoSno]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

But this isn't about your rights. You don't have a "right" to a passport. There's nothing in the US Constitution allowing you the "right" to a passport. There's nothing in the Constitution offering you a "right" to enter other countries with or without a passport, with or without proof of immunization.

Each country determines what is best for them. We don't always agree with what's best for them, but it's their country and they make the decisions. This isn't an empire. It's a country. We are not rulers of the entire planet. We govern our own piece of it.

If you want to go to THAT country, then you have to abide by THEIR rules. And if that country requires proof of immunization, don't you think it's a lot easier on YOU - if you have that proof built into your passport instead of having to carry around MORE paperwork every time you travel to THAT country?

I guess our country has decided it's best for us to let thousands to illegally cross our border daily. No passport, tests or vaccinations are necessary.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

So far, we DO have deaths from people positive for COVID-19 that are PROVEN to have been caused by COVID-19. There are also lots of people who died, who had COVID, but did not have COVID deaths. Such as some guy with no symptoms, who fell down the stairs and broke his neck. That doesn't get counted as a COVID death even if he had COVID.

We do NOT have deaths from people who were vaccinated that were PROVEN to have been caused by the vaccine.

I don't see any conflict here at all.

And we never will have deaths that were PROVEN to have been caused by the vaccine.

To be clear, Covid is bad and the vaccine is good. Even if 500 deaths is believable then there have been 500 deaths associated with the vaccine but nearly 1,000 times more associated with the virus. I much prefer the odds with the vaccine.

We will never have deaths proven to be caused by the vaccine because it is important that the vaccine be seen as safe to be accepted by as many people as possible. There can be NO doubt about the vaccine, it MUST be safe, no questions asked. Any death, no matter how closely associated with the vaccine, will be determined to have been caused by some underlying condition. A vaccination may have occurred immediately before the death, but the cause of death will be the underlying condition. There can be NO doubt about the vaccine, it MUST be safe.

(Similarly, if the virus can be associated with a death then the death will be caused by the virus. It is important that the virus be seen as a public health emergency. There can be NO doubt that the virus is killing people. And honestly, 450,000+ excess deaths is pretty good evidence that it is)

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Love2Swim

I would expect the stress from a severe case of Covid would more likely contribute to death in a heart patient, rather than getting a vaccine would.

I have had reactions to the shingles vaccine, the tetanus vaccine, and the flu vaccine. Certainly nothing that came close to being serious but reactions nonetheless. We are hearing reports of moderate reactions to the Covid vaccine that have symptoms similar to the flu. This is certainly not a surprise, we were told this from the start. But if you take a frail individual who gets an annual flu shot because contracting the flu would be risky for them and then you induce the flu symptoms, is it unreasonable to think that the reaction to the vaccine might adversely affect their health?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Scott O

He’s no more of a quack than Fauci or saying the NYT, or ABC News is good unbiased journalism....it’s called your subjective opinion and you seem to believe no one is allowed to one but yours...the 2 examples of journalism and I use that loosely, also told us our President was involved in Russian collusion for years as well....

Dr. Mercola: Visionary or Quack? – Chicago Magazine

My vote: QUACK with a capital Q

[G.R.I.T.S.]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

So, where is our "vaccine passport" for tuberculosis, dengue, rubella, poliomyelitis, trypanosomiasis, and visceral larva migrans????? I thought so. Just another example of how a minor player in the world of infectious disease has blossomed into a full blown phobia. .....and don't forget your mask

...or just stamp 666 on our foreheads...

[Tankerrich]

Originally Posted by OpusX1

I’m not sure if the yellow fever vaccine is required by the country your visiting or required by the US in order to get back in.

Try going into Peru or many far east countries and Africa. As a flight crew member, I had a person who did not have it in his yellow vaccination card. He was taken and given the yellow fever shot before being let into the country. The company reimbursed him after he got back home. No one ever checks anything coming back into the US. Even during SARS, we had at least temps check going into many countries. Back into the US - NOTHING. Hope that changes now.

[Trishakaye]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

So, where is our "vaccine passport" for tuberculosis, dengue, rubella, poliomyelitis, trypanosomiasis, and visceral larva migrans????? I thought so. Just another example of how a minor player in the world of infectious disease has blossomed into a full blown phobia. .....and don't forget your mask

Research how many died from TB in 2020. A real eye-opener

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by pdmarc1

500 people in the United States have died so far after taking covid vaccines. See children's defense health fund vaccine site Robert Kennedy who is against pushing vaccines that are not needed. This information was posted on the Lew Rockwell website. For more information about vaccines see Dr Mercola website. The mainstream media is saying the people that died was from some other cause. Hank Aaron got the vaccines and then he was dead. His health was good. The same with the Miami Doctor. I am the same age at 56. There is no doubt the vaccine killed him. But it is your choice to take that chance, you cannot sue the vaccine makers if you get injured or your loved ones cant sue if you die.

The latest news is also that a woman in Virginia 58 years old and a man in California who was pro-vaccine and excited to take them have died yesterday after receiving the first dose of covid vaccines.

Please be careful Dr Mercola said these vaccines comprise PEG (polyethylene glycol) nanoparticles (particles the size of 10-9 meters smaller than colloidal at 10-6 meters) that cause allergic reaction and anaphlactic shock and death. The smaller the particle size the greater the reactivity so the PEG nanoparticles react quickly. Yes, PEG the same ingredient in antifreeze is in your vaccine despite the loud denials of the people distributing it. Do not risk death and take this vaccine, it does not stop covid.
I am 56 years old and have a masters in engineering from GWU and did the research and am not taking any vaccines because they are not animal tested, and it is not proven safe. You are no more than a guinea pig for the US government. I worked for the US government as an engineer for 30 years. Please do the work and research yourself before you rush to get these injections. I do not want to hear of people in our Villages community passing away from something that could have been avoided.

There are many who will agree that any mention of Dr. Mercola will result in at least raised eyebrows. In my opinion he is a quack. I am not a medical person, just an intensely interested person who had had to learn a lot of stuff to protect our daughter born with a number of congenital issues. The one thing I learned above all else is respect for the traditional medical community, which is not always in agreement but their knowledge is accepted and valued everywhere in the world. I do not have much trust in alternative medicine at all and none in Dr. Mercola.

I don't want anyone dying either from something that could be avoided. I have great confidence in the Pfizer Vaccine, and in Moderna and hope to see Johnson and Johnson be accepted as a good one too. I am so grateful for modern science, the CDC, Dr. Fauci, the NIH, the FDA and I voted for the guy who didn't. He was wrong. Sometimes people are wrong. The Vaccine is the right thing to do.