[gidget72]

Thank you for posting this ....very interesting

[Byte1]

I find it interesting that if one suggests that folks should not panic, not become hysterical and unhinged over something that they have no control over, then they are automatically declared "deniers." I have seen NO posts declaring this pandemic or the virus a hoax, yet if you do not run amok screaming "the sky is falling" you are accused of saying it is a "hoax."
One poster is patient enough and willing to invest his time doing some research and sharing it with us, and others that don't have a clue decide that he is making little of a national emergency.
How anyone of these hysterical Betties lived through the measles, mumps and polio one can only guess. I bet if some were old enough to understand what was going on during the stock market crash during the depression, they would have been one of those that jumped out of windows.
No one has been attempting to make "little" of the pandemic. All the posts are merely suggesting that we have lived through this type of stuff before and we are strong enough to live through it again. I have not seen any suggestions that you should run naked through Walmart with out a care in the world, or have a neighborhood BBQ at your home. The OP even suggested that he is more diligent in protecting himself than most other folks on here.
Isn't it amusing that some on here seem to one-up the next on how panic stricken we should be? Then there are others that seek to calm the mass hysteria and get chastised for it.

Remember, this is an election year and this plus BLM protests is a great tool to garner voter support when record and policies are not enough to move the scale. All this will be pass'e next year.

Am I being overly nonchalant during a crisis? Maybe I just try not to lose my mind when a predicament occurs that I have no control over, so I consider a positive result rather than expect the end of the world. Remember, an illness will have it easier to attack a stressed body than a calm, healthy body.

When someone suggests that you calm down, it does not mean for you to disregard the reality of the situation. It just means that you should attempt to reason coherently, not irrationally due to exigent circumstances beyond your control. Doctors and your Gov. officials are not always right. To misuse President Reagan's quote "trust but verify" which I believe he borrowed from an old Russian saying.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Byte1

I find it interesting that if one suggests that folks should not panic, not become hysterical and unhinged over something that they have no control over, then they are automatically declared "deniers." I have seen NO posts declaring this pandemic or the virus a hoax, yet if you do not run amok screaming "the sky is falling" you are accused of saying it is a "hoax."
One poster is patient enough and willing to invest his time doing some research and sharing it with us, and others that don't have a clue decide that he is making little of a national emergency.
How anyone of these hysterical Betties lived through the measles, mumps and polio one can only guess. I bet if some were old enough to understand what was going on during the stock market crash during the depression, they would have been one of those that jumped out of windows.
No one has been attempting to make "little" of the pandemic. All the posts are merely suggesting that we have lived through this type of stuff before and we are strong enough to live through it again. I have not seen any suggestions that you should run naked through Walmart with out a care in the world, or have a neighborhood BBQ at your home. The OP even suggested that he is more diligent in protecting himself than most other folks on here.
Isn't it amusing that some on here seem to one-up the next on how panic stricken we should be? Then there are others that seek to calm the mass hysteria and get chastised for it.

Remember, this is an election year and this plus BLM protests is a great tool to garner voter support when record and policies are not enough to move the scale. All this will be pass'e next year.

Am I being overly nonchalant during a crisis? Maybe I just try not to lose my mind when a predicament occurs that I have no control over, so I consider a positive result rather than expect the end of the world. Remember, an illness will have it easier to attack a stressed body than a calm, healthy body.

When someone suggests that you calm down, it does not mean for you to disregard the reality of the situation. It just means that you should attempt to reason coherently, not irrationally due to exigent circumstances beyond your control. Doctors and your Gov. officials are not always right. To misuse President Reagan's quote "trust but verify" which I believe he borrowed from an old Russian saying.

from my perspective....

....Nobody should be getting their data or taking suggestions that are posted on this site.

....And still Representatives and Senators in various states continually call this entire thing a hoax. (see Arkansas and Texas as examples.

....People die thinking until their last breath that it was a hoax (a number of sad stories about Covid parties)

So where does one go for advice.......government.....

....as recently as March of this year as companies were shutting down, our government said that it was NOT their responsibility.....actual quote is available.

.....Medical advisors.....Gov in Florida has put aside his medical advisors replaced by business advisors.

.....A number of folks, NOT medical people are straight forward in saying they want to discredit the world leader in this field (Dr F) so that locks that door


Everyone is looking for clarity and one trusted message.

Your advice ???......I think many on here are practicing safe habits and looking for some good news, but not from a forum......

Just my take on it

[Barefoot]

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[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by Bucco

from my perspective....

....Nobody should be getting their data or taking suggestions that are posted on this site.

....And still Representatives and Senators in various states continually call this entire thing a hoax. (see Arkansas and Texas as examples.

....People die thinking until their last breath that it was a hoax (a number of sad stories about Covid parties)

So where does one go for advice.......government.....

....as recently as March of this year as companies were shutting down, our government said that it was NOT their responsibility.....actual quote is available.

.....Medical advisors.....Gov in Florida has put aside his medical advisors replaced by business advisors.

.....A number of folks, NOT medical people are straight forward in saying they want to discredit the world leader in this field (Dr F) so that locks that door


Everyone is looking for clarity and one trusted message.

Your advice ???......I think many on here are practicing safe habits and looking for some good news, but not from a forum......

Just my take on it

LOL A "take" without a single cite to back it up. I have cited the CDC in this thread several times to correct false comments made by many.

Purpose of this thread was simply to show that some previous outbreaks of the flu caused equal amounts of death and sickness as covid 19 and were not accompanied by the panic and economic chaos we see today.

Quiz time: Who said this?

“The overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza"

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Am I being overly nonchalant during a crisis?
Maybe I just try not to lose my mind when a predicament occurs that I have no control over, so I consider a positive result rather than expect the end of the world.
Remember, an illness will have it easier to attack a stressed body than a calm, healthy body.
When someone suggests that you calm down, it does not mean for you to disregard the reality of the situation....snipped...

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

I do know enough to NOT eat Bats, bird Shyt nest soup, animals around the lab?. Yep, maybe they did accidently or intentionally release the virus? But, one thing that can't be denied it came from China probably 90 precent of the rest of viruses in last 30 years?

Actually over the last 2,000 years, at least two Black Death plagues, Swine Flu, Bird Flu, Hong Flu, Asian Flu, Sars, etc.

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

LOL A "take" without a single cite to back it up. I have cited the CDC in this thread several times to correct false comments made by many.

Purpose of this thread was simply to show that some previous outbreaks of the flu caused equal amounts of death and sickness as covid 19 and were not accompanied by the panic and economic chaos we see today.

Quiz time: Who said this?

“The overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza"

Answer: Both Anthony Fauci AND Robert Redfield on March 26th in a New England Journal of Medicine editorial.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by Kahuna32162

So, this is nothing more than your opinion and you have no facts to back it up.

Here is an eyewitness account by someone who was in college in 1957 and got sick with the flu.

Remembering the 1957 Asian Flu Pandemic

And here is front page of New York Times during the height of the first wave of 57 flu. Sputnik and Jimmy Hoffa's election as Teamster's head were bigger stories than the flu. No big panic like today

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by Aloha1

Answer: Both Anthony Fauci AND Robert Redfield on March 26th in a New England Journal of Medicine editorial.

Correct, you get a star

[EdFNJ]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

Quiz time: Who said this?

“The overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza"

Originally Posted by Aloha1

Answer: Both Anthony Fauci AND Robert Redfield on March 26th in a New England Journal of Medicine editorial.

Originally Posted by GoodLife

Correct, you get a star

Like you have said in multiple posts over and over (paraphrasing) "how many times does something need to be restated."

Of course what you are selectively picking are quotes from a full 4 months ago to fit your agenda which is like the beginning of history WRT this situation. As time moves on one would HOPE that things would be learned and opinions updated from new SCIENCE and practices. One would hope that procedures and understanding would change because of what has been learned. If you want to keep looking BACKWARDS in time quoting people's quotes that have little bearing on TODAY (or ever) I could post a bunch from famous people but it would probably get me banned for breaking the no politics rules.

Oh, I'd bet Anthony Fauci AND Robert Redfield DON'T say that anymore.

[Bay Kid]

In 1957 we had a media that was honest and leaders that loved our country.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by Aloha1

Answer: Both Anthony Fauci AND Robert Redfield on March 26th in a New England Journal of Medicine editorial.

Originally Posted by EdFNJ

Like you have said in multiple posts over and over (paraphrasing) "how many times does something need to be restated."

Of course what you are selectively picking are quotes from a full 4 months ago to fit your agenda which is like the beginning of history WRT this situation. As time moves on one would HOPE that things would be learned and opinions updated from new SCIENCE and practices. One would hope that procedures and understanding would change because of what has been learned. If you want to keep looking BACKWARDS in time quoting people's quotes that have little bearing on TODAY (or ever) I could post a bunch from famous people but it would probably get me banned for breaking the no politics rules.

Oh, I'd bet Anthony Fauci AND Robert Redfield DON'T say that anymore.

First of all, I did not produce this comparison of 57 flu to coronavirus, a scientist named Balloux did, the same scientist who sequenced the coronavirus genome.

The facts speak for themselves, the fatality rates for the two diseases are virtually the same (0.65% and 0.67%) and the deaths per million are also very close. The 57 flu killed far more people per capita worldwide than covid 19 has so far (383 vs 84 per million) So the statement by Fauci and Redfield is a viable description, coronavirus is similar to a severe seasonal influenza.

[oldtimes]

Originally Posted by Micki

There are other people who think this way. Bill Gates, the guy who wants us all to take the vaccine when it comes out also wants to lower the population of the earth to half a billion people. There’s a little over 7.8 billion people right now, which means the man who wants to save our lives also wants to eliminate 7.3 billion of us. Isn’t that odd? Not to worry, I’m pretty certain that in a couple of years we’re going to start seeing a drastic population reduction. Hope you’re prepared for it, chances are you and I are not going to be part of the half a billion.

Do you get your news from Facebook?

[ctmurray]

After your post I looked this up. And indeed the death rates are about the same. The BIG difference is that we have were shut down for weeks, some have been social distancing and wearing a mask, and hospitals have been aggressively trying to save lives. In 1957 they did none of these things. So Covid-19 is much more communicable and deadly. This is why the scientists and doctors involved recommended these mitigation efforts as they saw this from the early infections.