[star50]

I have owner a 2014 plug in hybrid since it was new and have nothing but great things to say about it. Being in TV means I have to purchase gas only a few times in six months since most trips are short. My electric bill is comparable to my neighbors who use their AC more than I do. No complaints after 130,000 miles.

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager

OMG Really?!?!?!?!
Tomorrow around 8:00am look East

Unless it's cloudy.

There is currently lack of reliability with solar (and wind) including both production and storage. That may improve in time, we'll see.

[MorTech]

Hertz bailing out of EV vertuesignalism.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drkPXa5SRwk

Profits be nowhere.

[bopat]

I've got an EV and I'm looking to get rid of it and buy a gas car.

Before I get a gas car, I've got a bunch of questions:
- I hear they run on gasoline, will that explode in my garage?
- How will I fuel up the car when the gas station is closed?
- What comes out of the tailpipe, won't that kill things?
- The engine is in front, will fumes leak out the vents into the car?
- When I put fuel in the car, can I catch a virus from the pump handle? Do the gas stations clean the pumps?
- What's the range?
- What's it like going to an unfamiliar gas station along a highway? Are they safe?
- What's a "tune-up?"
- What's "periodic maintenance?"
- There's a huge heavy motor in the front, if I get into an accident won't that get shoved into the car?
- I hear the engines and all that stuff get really hot! Can I drive over grass without setting it on fire?
- With all that extra weight up high, won't the car roll over easier than an EV?

Hee hee, just kidding, I don't want a gas car.

[Cliff Fr]

Using the AC on an electric car drops the driving range quite a bit. Because of that manufacturers have had to find ways to make the AC system more efficient. GM has done this by using a smaller compressor and a highly toxic gas as a refrigerant. Anyone working on the system has to have special equipment and wear ppe. The gas is so toxic that they have to use a totally separate system in the vehicle for it.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Cliff Fr

Using the AC on an electric car drops the driving range quite a bit. Because of that manufacturers have had to find ways to make the AC system more efficient. GM has done this by using a smaller compressor and a highly toxic gas as a refrigerant. Anyone working on the system has to have special equipment and wear ppe. The gas is so toxic that they have to use a totally separate system in the vehicle for it.

It would be interesting to read an article about that. Can you provide a link to one?

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by Cliff Fr

Using the AC on an electric car drops the driving range quite a bit. Because of that manufacturers have had to find ways to make the AC system more efficient. GM has done this by using a smaller compressor and a highly toxic gas as a refrigerant. Anyone working on the system has to have special equipment and wear ppe. The gas is so toxic that they have to use a totally separate system in the vehicle for it.

From what I can see GM use HFO-1234yf refrigerant, which is in general use for most modern EVs and ICE vehicles.

[MrChip72]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

The U.S. Department of Energy's Energy Information Administration reported that American oil production in the first week of October hit 13.2 million barrels per day, passing the previous record set in 2020 by 100,000 barrels. Weekly domestic oil production has doubled from the first week in October 2012 to now.13 Oct 2023

The US was exporting 2 million barrels/day in 2012. In 2023, the exports are now over 120 million barrels/day. It would appear that much of this extra domestic production is being exported to other countries.

U.S. Exports of Crude Oil (Thousand Barrels)

[Fastskiguy]

Originally Posted by Cliff Fr

Using the AC on an electric car drops the driving range quite a bit. Because of that manufacturers have had to find ways to make the AC system more efficient. GM has done this by using a smaller compressor and a highly toxic gas as a refrigerant. Anyone working on the system has to have special equipment and wear ppe. The gas is so toxic that they have to use a totally separate system in the vehicle for it.

Not sure about the toxic part but it’s true, ac cuts your range. Heat probably does too.

[Keefelane66]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

It would be interesting to read an article about that. Can you provide a link to one?

I have found posters on TOTV make stuff up. Since GM is converting to this new refrigerant would anyone feel safe in a petroleum operated vehicle with GM’s track record.

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by Fastskiguy

Not sure about the toxic part but it’s true, ac cuts your range. Heat probably does too.

Actually, so does driving with the windows open (increased resistance, reduced aerodynamics). You can't win.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Keefelane66

I have found posters on TOTV make stuff up. Since GM is converting to this new refrigerant would anyone fell safe in a petroleum operated vehicle with GM’s track record.

I'm not surprised at all that no link has been provided. I can't find anything about a new refrigerant either.

GM *did* make a change back in 2012 that was controversial at the time. According to articles that google found, GM switched to the R1234YF refrigerant that other manufacturers found to be too dangerous. Perhaps this is the highly toxic refrigerant the poster was referring to. It is currently available from Walmart and Amazon.

[jebartle]

Yipsters! Lots of info, good and bad.

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by MrChip72

The US was exporting 2 million barrels/day in 2012. In 2023, the exports are now over 120 million barrels/day. It would appear that much of this extra domestic production is being exported to other countries.

U.S. Exports of Crude Oil (Thousand Barrels)

Sort if kills the argument that governments are stopping oil production.
Oil companies are reaping record profits.