[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

No argument at all--it's certainly possible. But it's also possible it was due to other factors. No way to know for sure.

Possibly a sophisticated mathematical regression analysis could isolate the MOST likely variable?

[Pat2015]

Originally Posted by J1ceasar

Some people have none of the above, so they have to be led by the nose whether it's a green light red light on the street corner or someone on TV telling them to wear masks. It's common sense to continue to wear your mask. It's common sense to take the vaccine if it's available to you even if only 5% of 5% of 5% can still get infected or pass it on to somebody else wouldn't be there the right thing to keep wearing a mask so you don't get infect someone else or get it from someone else. Why do these things bother you so much. Just relax and enjoy life as best as you can. It doesn't matter who's in charge, I believe both sides are trying to do their best as far as this horrible disease goes. I don't blame anybody and I don't give anyone credit for dealing anything better than the next guy because life just happens. Unfortunately people are dead and it has ruined a lot of people's livelihoods but my neighbors certainly didn't do anything bad and my family didn't do anything bad. Just continue to have faith wear a mask is probably another year or two or more and be thankful you're not in a hospital suffering. Like I said common sense and if you don't like what they're saying turn off the darn TV and stop reading those internet comments

Wear a mask for another year or two after being fully vaccinated, and with most of the US population having the ability to be vaccinated by the summer? Is this a serious post?

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Possibly a sophisticated mathematical regression analysis could isolate the MOST likely variable?

Maybe, but probably the best you could get is a 70-80% probability, meanwhile, there are posters on this thread who think 0.008% isn't good enough.

[roscoguy]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Yep, here we go again. Yes, 0.008% is not zero. But it is so close to zero as to be irrelevant. (and don't give me any crap that it's relevant if YOU get it). Did you see where NASA estimated the chances of getting hit by a meteorite at about 4 times higher than a vaccinated person getting COVID????? Do you walk around looking at the sky???? Or live your life in a bomb shelter???? If not, why are you concerned that a vaccinated person will pass COVID to you. Plus, if you are vaccinated, the chances are now 0.008% x 0.008%, or is that not zero either?

Well, first off 1 in 13,000 definitely is a small percentage, but not irrelevant. Second, the quote from the CDC said, "It is important to note that reported vaccine breakthrough cases will represent an undercount." so that's not exactly a number you can bank on at the moment.
Then the NASA thing - I was going to pass on that post, but since you brought it up... That's a ludicrous number: it implies that 1 in 3000 people will be hit (or have been hit! ) by a meteorite during their lifetime??? That's really funny since, as of 2016, there's only ONE person confirmed to have been struck by a meteorite in history, according to National Geographic. (Warning: you may have to create an account to view the article.) The True Story of History'''s Only Known Meteorite Victim
And that's not crap either. Unlike the "0.008% x 0.008%" idea, which is not really founded in math, science or facts, just throwing around some numbers.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by roscoguy

Well, first off 1 in 13,000 definitely is a small percentage, but not irrelevant. Second, the quote from the CDC said, "It is important to note that reported vaccine breakthrough cases will represent an undercount." so that's not exactly a number you can bank on at the moment.
Then the NASA thing - I was going to pass on that post, but since you brought it up... That's a ludicrous number: it implies that 1 in 3000 people will be hit (or have been hit! ) by a meteorite during their lifetime??? That's really funny since, as of 2016, there's only ONE person confirmed to have been struck by a meteorite in history, according to National Geographic. (Warning: you may have to create an account to view the article.) The True Story of History'''s Only Known Meteorite Victim
And that's not crap either. Unlike the "0.008% x 0.008%" idea, which is not really founded in math, science or facts, just throwing around some numbers.

In all fairness, I didn't believe that 1 in 3000 number either (But since it was on the internet it must be true). But you really shouldn't hide under your bed for the 1 in13,000 that might spread COVID

[Ptmckiou]

I don’t understand the frustration. I follow what the CDC has on its website....not talking heads, or any politician. They have been very consistent with their information, as their knowledge of the virus expands.

Being a new form of SARS, science has to be fluid as it gains knowledge. Understandable. Right now anyone vaccinated, in a group of everyone else vaccinated, doesn’t need to wear a mask. We will never reach herd immunity, unless 75% of people get vaccinated. What happens below 75%, is giving an abundance of “food” (unvaccinated) to the virus which increases the risk of variants of the virus forming that have out smarted the current vaccine. We want to keep that food level down, which lowers the risk....but, that includes the entire world of unvaccinated, not just USA.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Patriceunger

Wear a mask for another year or two after being fully vaccinated, and with most of the US population having the ability to be vaccinated by the summer? Is this a serious post?

Another case of "are we there yet?". No one KNOWS the future, so no one knows if we are there yet. It all depends on the number (or %) of the vaccine-hesitate-types here in TV Land and around the country. In rural Idaho, ONLY 25% are vaccinated., That IS who to blame if we still have a Pandemic problem 2 or MORE years from today. No one can tell you the future with absolute certainty. Expecting that is like a canine chasing its tail!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Maybe, but probably the best you could get is a 70-80% probability, meanwhile, there are posters on this thread who think 0.008% isn't good enough.

True that!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Ptmckiou

I don’t understand the frustration. I follow what the CDC has on its website....not talking heads, or any politician. They have been very consistent with their information, as their knowledge of the virus expands.

Being a new form of SARS, science has to be fluid as it gains knowledge. Understandable. Right now anyone vaccinated, in a group of everyone else vaccinated, doesn’t need to wear a mask. We will never reach herd immunity, unless 75% of people get vaccinated. What happens below 75%, is giving an abundance of “food” (unvaccinated) to the virus which increases the risk of variants of the virus forming that have out smarted the current vaccine. We want to keep that food level down, which lowers the risk....but, that includes the entire world of unvaccinated, not just USA.

Wearing a mask inside with a mix of vaccinated and unvaccinated people makes sense to me because indoors has 15 times the spread compared to outdoors ( that makes me wonder about schools and older school children). I will wear a mask indoors as long as the CDC, DR. Fauci, and our current President say that it IS a good idea. I will do this because in this regard - I am a "do-gooder". They model good behavior for me and I model good behavior for my peers.

But, it is MORE than that. Right now only about 1/2 of the country has at least 1 shot. And there are anti-vaxxers and many young people that are reluctant to get their shot. I am lucky to have mine, but some may want a shot and NOT yet have one. I owe it to them to be a reminder that this thing IS not HISTORY yet. Vaccine hesitant people might NEED that extra push. If unvaccinated they could be saving their life and others by wearing a mask and being empathetic to others. Plus, if the spread among unvaccinated people is great, then variants could evolve that threaten everyone that is already vaccinated. Think of THAT cost in terms of suffering, lives lost, and even US taxpayer money wasted. I will do MY part!

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

THIS is NOT the "flu". This is not the seasonal flu that makes people sick and is a little different every year. THIS is a killer of people who are OLDER. KILLER. ONE OUT OF TEN DIE....if they get it. If they are MY AGE.

Tell that to the 250,000 Americans' that died of the flu in the past 8 years, families. I doubt they would say that the flu is not dangerous. I don't dispute the fact that Covid is dangerous. But, I don't believe that I downplayed the seriousness of it either. I have encouraged everyone to get the vaccination, for their own safety. I also respect the right of others to make their own decision without mandates and restrictions imposed on the masses. I understand that there are some that are scared, but it appears that leadership is exploiting that fear, too.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

True. And that shows that masks are effective. But, masks were not used in the past for colds and flu because the risk of hospitalization or DEATH was NOT as great as from CV. The future might hold a lot of mask-wearing.

Once vaccinated, there is less possibility of being hospitalized for covid than the flu. Therefore, I see no reason to wear a mask any more than I would during flu season. You make a compelling argument for abandoning the mask mandates that are still being imposed in many areas of the country.

[roscoguy]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

In all fairness, I didn't believe that 1 in 3000 number either (But since it was on the internet it must be true). But you really shouldn't hide under your bed for the 1 in13,000 that might spread COVID

We're 100% in agreement here. Hey, how's that for finding common ground?

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Possibly a sophisticated mathematical regression analysis could isolate the MOST likely variable?

The problem is clean data, always. The software and people who can perform the math and the programming are everywhere around the world, using either python or R, and are doing this every day, its called medical research.

But collecting, making the data clean enough for statistical research, and having all the correct data, is nearly impossible without long highly controlled studies where all variables are able to be isolated and controlled and measured.

With an airborne communicable disease, about as difficult as a villager who plays golf everyday qualifying for the champions tour. Just think about modern medicine today and "modern medicine" 200+ years ago.

The other observation about today's world and pandemic: observe how difficult it is to manage the world's population with just information. and the ability of foreign actors to pray on the human foibles of survival processing information with disinformation and other information destabilization techniques. . .

This pandemic and the world responses are the most interesting study in mass and human psychology in modern times. fascinating. . .

psy guy

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Well, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, no matter how wrong it is.

Well, to be fair to that poster you replied to, the type of mask was not mentioned. If the poster uses an N95 or equivalent mask, then, yes, the mask protects him/her when worn properly. Anything other than that type of mask, then agree with you GE, that their opinion was wrong.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Patriceunger

Wear a mask for another year or two after being fully vaccinated, and with most of the US population having the ability to be vaccinated by the summer? Is this a serious post?

I have always been a very strong proponent of universal masking and even I think that post was off the wall. I will not be wearing a mask routinely when I'm out and about in two years, let alone one year. I can guarantee you that!

Who ever is not getting vaccinated by then, well, sorry, they are on their own. The folks who can not receive the vaccine for medical issues will have to do everything they can to protect themselves. That is what N95 masks are for and those vulverable un-vaccinated folks would be prudent to wear one of those masks when everyone else is going about their business in this world maskless.