[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by GeriS

Then why are most patients in hospitals the ones who have been vaxxed? You are not getting the straight scoop for the msm. I hope there is something to help those who have been vaxxed and the spike protein does not harm you the way so many people have been harmed already. The number of those who died is alarming, but they won't stop. That's why they are already saying you need boosters every 6 months.

Where did you hear that most of the patients in the hospitals are vaxxed? I'm hearing just the opposite. The CDC is saying this is a pandemic of the UN-vaxxed. Vaxxed people are not the ones dying from this virus at this point in time.

[Lindsyburnsy]

So, I guess if you get covid and die, you are better off than getting a vaccine? Okay, got it.

[flsteve]

Originally Posted by Pessemist

It makes sense, sense your immune system has been exposed to the entire virus and was robust enough to fend off the infection before it kills you. The vaccine consists of some of the proteins that make up the virus, not the entire virus itself (DoH)! So the immune response is triggered for those specific proteins..and usually that's all you need.

You can still get infected by Covid after the vaccine. But you have about 97% protection against the infection becoming fatal. You can even get a sub clinical infection that you can pass on to the unvaccinated. Unvaccinated people have a MUCH greater chance of dying because their immune system takes longer to 'ramp up' than the virus takes to kill them.

That's why all this BULL**** about peoples 'Right' not to get vaccinated is nonsense. For example, you don't have the 'right' to drive your car 100mph. You don't have the 'Right' to use toxins in your company to maximize your profits. Y Same with vaccine: You don't have the 'Right' to infect those around you with a lethal virus.

For historical perspective on this, I suggest looking up the story of Typhoid Mary and her insistence on working in the food industry despite the many who were infected as a result.

I would dare suggest that Individual rights end when they inflict death and disease on others...robbing them of THEIR rights.

Wait.... I thought that vaccinated people can STILL spread the virus? If so, it makes sense to me that both vaccinated AND un-vaccinated people can "infect those around you with a lethal virus". Right? However, only THE VACCINATED people can be criticized for having the "right" to "infect those around you with a lethal virus", since vaccinated people can still get it again, yet likely not in a lethal manner. Only un-vaccinated people can "infect those around you with a lethal virus."

Therefore, the Typhoid Mary comparison point is completely moot.

Critical thinking is a bitch!

[Dana Swain]

Love your point of view…l had Covid with mild symptoms and still have natural antibodies. I don’t want a vaccine that I don’t trust! I hate being ostracized because I won’t get vaccinated…

[MDLNB]

For the past year plus, I have been shopping and acting like everything is normal. I even tried to be around folks with the aim at becoming infected so that I could get it over with. Didn't work I didn't catch it. I am going to continue to conduct my life as usual and right now have no intention of getting the "Covid booster" shot. Don't bother telling me to stay away or stay home because I have no intention of doing so. If you have your shots but fear me infecting you then it is you that should protect yourself from me by staying home. If you don't have confidence in science or the vaccination then that is your problem. In case you want to stay away from me in fear I will be the one wearing a Veteran ball cap and have an American flag on my vehicles. I also support the police as you will be able to tell when you see my vehicles. As far as I am concerned it is NOT being patriotic by getting the shots. It is just your choice probably brought on by fear and panic or some folks that actually reasoned out the benefits versus the negatives of getting the shots. I am not against the vaccination. I am against unreasonable fear mongering. Call me names and I will laugh at you and call you a lemming. I make my own decisions and do not let folks that I do not respect or trust tell me what is right for the country.
Stay safe, stay home. I'll be out there so beware.

[NoMoSno]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

The party was outdoors? Everyone was 100% vaccinated? So........what is the problem???
Good for them for doing the celebration as safely as possible.

The party was in an enclosed tent. No one wore masks.
CDC reccomends that vaccinated wear masks in enclosed areas.

[lkagele]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I watched a video of this doctor who claims the virus is small enough to go through every mask. I stopped right there. He has no credibility at all by making that claim. Doesn't he know that theses minuscule virus particles DO NOT TRAVEL BY THEMSELVES. The virus particles are encompassed in droplets and the much smaller aerosols which will be MOSTLY blocked by those disposable and cloths masks that folks wear as SOURCE CONTROL. This guy is a boob.

I really don't think that's correct. At first the thought was these were droplets that traveled no more than 6'. Thus the social distancing recommendations.

Later, however, studies showed aerosol particles stayed in the air for much longer periods of time and distance and were also responsible for transmission of the disease.

There's also evidence the droplets and aerosols can enter the body through eye cavities. I just don't see masks as being effective enough to warrant anything other than attempts to control the populace.

[SkBlogW]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

But what about all those folks who have escaped the dreaded virus so far and have not been vaccinated? They remain prime hosts of this virus to mutate and create more variants. THOSE are the people who should be getting themselves vaccinated. We need to act quickly on this. Why wait?

The only way to be sure is to nuke it from orbit.

The only way to be sure one has antibodies is by having an antibody test, whether you are fully vaccinated or a covid survivor. Millions and millions of people have had covid and don't even know it. Vaccine passports are ridiculous, they can easily be forged and if verified vaccinated individual has been recently exposed to Delta and it breaks through the vaccine and they are currently asymptomatic, guess what happens when he shares the buffet with you? Chances of this are small but not zero.

[SkBlogW]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I watched a video of this doctor who claims the virus is small enough to go through every mask. I stopped right there. He has no credibility at all by making that claim. Doesn't he know that theses minuscule virus particles DO NOT TRAVEL BY THEMSELVES. The virus particles are encompassed in droplets and the much smaller aerosols which will be MOSTLY blocked by those disposable and cloths masks that folks wear as SOURCE CONTROL. This guy is a boob.

I'm sorry but you are completely wrong. 85% of covid virus emissions from an infected individual are tiny aerosols, only 15% are encased in globules.. They are 5000 times smaller than the holes in a cloth mask. You can easily breath these all the way down to your lungs where they begin to work their magic.

[OETTING]

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW

Coronavirus patients who recovered from the virus were far less likely to become infected during the latest wave of the pandemic than people who were vaccinated against COVID, according to numbers presented to the Israeli Health Ministry.

More than 7,700 new cases of the virus have been detected during the most recent wave starting in May, but just 72 of the confirmed cases were reported in people who were known to have been infected previously – that is, less than 1% of the new cases.
Roughly 40% of new cases – or more than 3,000 patients – involved people who had been infected despite being vaccinated.

With a total of 835,792 Israelis known to have recovered from the virus, the 72 instances of reinfection amount to 0.0086% of people who were already infected with COVID.

By contrast, Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave

Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection? - Israel National News

Here in the USA, latest data I have seen shows that 150 million adults are fully vaccinated, which of course goes up every day.

What about the number of covid survivors? There are about 36 million confirmed cases, but the CDC estimates the actual number at 4 times that, in May 2021 they put the number at 120 million Americans that have had covid (symptomatics, asymptomatics, never tested etc) Currently the number would be 144 million using CDC formula.

Estimated COVID-19 Burden | CDC

I see some crazy profiling going on here, such as "that creepy pick up driver with the flags for sure is not vaccinated" It's ridiculous and ugly to attempt vaccine profiling, truth is you don't have a clue who has been fully vaccinated and who has immunity via surviving covid.

Maybe the millions of covid survivors with their superior immunity to Delta will start shaming and discriminating against the vaccinated. Sorry, covid survivors only on this cruise, or in this restaurant etc etc. According to the data from Israel, they have better protection than you do.

Although antibodies from natural infection may provide some protection against the virus, evidence shows nothing protects against COVID-19 better than vaccines.
People who have recovered from COVID-19 should get vaccinated to reduce their risk of reinfection, which will prevent transmission and suppress the opportunity for more variants – like the highly contagious delta – to emerge.
“Natural infection will cause your immune system to make many types of antibodies and immune response to all parts of the virus, but only a small fraction of that response is actually protective,” said Nicole Iovine, chief hospital epidemiologist at University of Florida Health in Gainesville. “When you get the vaccine, the entire response is targeted to the virus's spike protein.”

[gdennis317]

Israel study mentioned was a small sample group. Recent studies here in the US say Opposite is true. Kentucky case study as an example.

Key point in all of this is that those in the Hospital here in the US are predominantly the Unvaccinated, and those who die are overwhelmingly the unvaccinated.

For me, since I have some mild underlying issues, I will play the odds: been vaccinated, only wear my mask when in crowds or larger groups, and try to maintain some distancing indoors.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by Dana Swain

Love your point of view…l had Covid with mild symptoms and still have natural antibodies. I don’t want a vaccine that I don’t trust! I hate being ostracized because I won’t get vaccinated…

I doubt that ostracism is happening to anyone. there is a wide and growing disconnect between what one reads in media, and the reality of the actual world. It would seem that there are far more people living their lives fully and in the open, than there are those huddling behind doors, masks and potions.

[Robin Farris]

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW

Coronavirus patients who recovered from the virus were far less likely to become infected during the latest wave of the pandemic than people who were vaccinated against COVID, according to numbers presented to the Israeli Health Ministry.

More than 7,700 new cases of the virus have been detected during the most recent wave starting in May, but just 72 of the confirmed cases were reported in people who were known to have been infected previously – that is, less than 1% of the new cases.
Roughly 40% of new cases – or more than 3,000 patients – involved people who had been infected despite being vaccinated.

With a total of 835,792 Israelis known to have recovered from the virus, the 72 instances of reinfection amount to 0.0086% of people who were already infected with COVID.

By contrast, Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave

Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection? - Israel National News

Here in the USA, latest data I have seen shows that 150 million adults are fully vaccinated, which of course goes up every day.

What about the number of covid survivors? There are about 36 million confirmed cases, but the CDC estimates the actual number at 4 times that, in May 2021 they put the number at 120 million Americans that have had covid (symptomatics, asymptomatics, never tested etc) Currently the number would be 144 million using CDC formula.

Estimated COVID-19 Burden | CDC

I see some crazy profiling going on here, such as "that creepy pick up driver with the flags for sure is not vaccinated" It's ridiculous and ugly to attempt vaccine profiling, truth is you don't have a clue who has been fully vaccinated and who has immunity via surviving covid.

Maybe the millions of covid survivors with their superior immunity to Delta will start shaming and discriminating against the vaccinated. Sorry, covid survivors only on this cruise, or in this restaurant etc etc. According to the data from Israel, they have better protection than you do.

As a COVID survivor I really want to say thank you! I clean houses for a living and I do a dang good job at it. As of lately some of my clients have started trying to push the shot on me and trying to make ME feel bad. I have always been booked but lately I have started letting people go. I have survived it and my antibodies in my own body knows what to do to protect it now period. I feel to each their own but don’t try to make me feel bad. I contracted it just before Christmas and trust me I am not in the best shape. A smoker of 30+ years, bad lungs…but I SURVIVED it. And I have had no problems since. I know that was not the case with all and for that I am sorry. I feel lucky to still be here today. But this shaming in either direction needs to stop. If something was to happen and maybe someone couldn’t get or tolerate the vaccine and became sick the next best thing might be one of us survivors donating our antibodies. Just let that sink in for a moment because guess what I don’t know you and you don’t know me but if asked I wouldn’t hesitate to help you however I could.

[SkBlogW]

Originally Posted by Robin Farris

As a COVID survivor I really want to say thank you! I clean houses for a living and I do a dang good job at it. As of lately some of my clients have started trying to push the shot on me and trying to make ME feel bad. I have always been booked but lately I have started letting people go. I have survived it and my antibodies in my own body knows what to do to protect it now period. I feel to each their own but don’t try to make me feel bad. I contracted it just before Christmas and trust me I am not in the best shape. A smoker of 30+ years, bad lungs…but I SURVIVED it. And I have had no problems since. I know that was not the case with all and for that I am sorry. I feel lucky to still be here today. But this shaming in either direction needs to stop. If something was to happen and maybe someone couldn’t get or tolerate the vaccine and became sick the next best thing might be one of us survivors donating our antibodies. Just let that sink in for a moment because guess what I don’t know you and you don’t know me but if asked I wouldn’t hesitate to help you however I could.

Ask your Doctor to give you an antibody test, when it shows you have antibodies have Doctor write you a letter saying you are just as protected as the vaccinated. If he won't do this, get a smarter Doctor.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW

Ask your Doctor to give you an antibody test, when it shows you have antibodies have Doctor write you a letter saying you are just as protected as the vaccinated. If he won't do this, get a smarter Doctor.

And be sure to mention you received this advice from someone onToTV, that should carry some weight.