[Dahabs]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Meanwhile, here's another report, also from a university. It's not exclusively about white cops shooting black criminals.

It's about the use of force by police, use of force policies, and basic human rights, and how police departments are really screwing it up.

https://chicagounbound.uchicago.edu/...4&context=ihrc

Warning - it's an actual report, not just a 4-paragraph article about a report. It's 100 pages long. A good read though. With real facts and everything.

Great analysis & recommendations.

[Dahabs]

Originally Posted by Luisa

They have a higher crime rate.

Grossly oversimplifies the issue(s).

[Dahabs]

Originally Posted by Luisa

Don’t commit a crime and you don’t have to worry about prosecutors or lawyers.

Another oft repeated oversimplification. You don't always have to be guilty to be arrested. However, once you are in the system, if you cannot afford bail and a decent lawyer you are screwed perhaps forever. Even if you are eventually discharged, you have likely lost your job, your housing and your debts have probably piled up.

[tsmall22204]

All this talk, all I know is a handcuffed man, on the ground, posing no threat, was kneeled on and murder. Now you can quote all the studies you read on the internet (we know how true they are) but the fact remains, a black man was murdered while in handcuffs by a white officer.

[skarra]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Equal is good. But affirmative action yells "pity" to me.

I keep hearing make jobs pay more when the truth is that jobs usually have pay that reflects the level of skill and work involved. I can't see where it is right to up the pay for jobs that do not require great skill.

...

Therein lies the problem. We treat unskilled people like they don’t deserve to be paid a livable wage.

Poverty leads to crime, and so rich folk (typically white, but mainly because they have enjoyed generations of privilege) have to resort to extreme policing to keep the poor underclass under control.

Up the minimum wage to a livable wage and that will go a long way to helping the situation. And do a better job of weeding out the bad cops - we see far too many on video these days.

[Girlcopper]

Originally Posted by LoisR

As the author so states: "The report is attempting to "predict" shooting scenarios." Please raise your hands high, and you might as well assume the position, if you've ever read of a police shooting involving a black officer and a black "suspect."
Since most police departments don't even employ minority officers, and the few that do have only a minimal staffing, how accurate is the report?

What planet or place do you live? Dont employ minorities? Where is that statement coming from? A police dept has basic tests to pass plus psychological testing. If more blacks than whites fail....oh well. Whose fault is that?

[Girlcopper]

Originally Posted by mamamia54

I have never heard of anyone , any color, who didn’t resist arrest being tased, beat, etc. If you are being arrested and are resisting a fighting, that’s another story. Certain drugs in the system can make even the smallest woman like Superman. What should the officers do, ask to sing Kumbaya. It is getting harder and harder for police to do their jobs. Most people won’t care, might even be glad. This will affect all of us, not just criminals. We all might have to have encounters with police officers not only for criminal reasons. When they are defunded and don’t show up to help maybe a little Kumbaya might. Also, if you haven’t been in a police officers shoes, don’t talk like they fit you!

Exactly. Comply, do what youre told and you get to go home. Resist? Yes, you may get tased, beat or even shot. Make your choice. Everytime someone wants to get out of a situation, the race card is pulled out. How about the immigrants who came through Ellis Island way back when. They were discriminated against and treated like crap but the majority of them wound up working hard and became a success. They didnt put their hand out to get everything free possible from govt aid. And if they were poor, they didnt birth 10 kids and get paid grom the govt for each one. Open your eyes everyone. Color never mattered. Integrity does

[Girlcopper]

Originally Posted by Love2Swim

That’s it exactly. And there are many studies showing black people are anywhere from three to eight times more likely to be shot during a police encounter than white people. Why anyone would try to infer the opposite in the face of facts is just another instance of systemic racism in this country.

Because studies show blacks resist more than whites. Post ALL the facts

[Rebel Pirate]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Meanwhile, here's another report, also from a university. It's not exclusively about white cops shooting black criminals.

It's about the use of force by police, use of force policies, and basic human rights, and how police departments are really screwing it up.

https://chicagounbound.uchicago.edu/...4&context=ihrc

Warning - it's an actual report, not just a 4-paragraph article about a report. It's 100 pages long. A good read though. With real facts and everything.

WOW, with real facts and everything! Let's take a look at some of these real facts...and decide if they are evidence of a real agenda.

(1) "This report was researched and drafted by the International Human Rights Clinic at the University of Chicago Law School (“authors”)..."

(2) "Use of lethal force policies were then analyzed and graded using a system the authors developed based on international law and standards..."

(3) "The authors collected police department 2017-2018 use of lethal force policies online—on police department websites and at useofforceproject.org..."

(3a) Here is the very first line from the authors single most important data source at useofforceproject.org: (just do a Google search or click the link in the report)

"POLICE USE OF FORCE POLICIES CURRENTLY LACK BASIC PROTECTIONS AGAINST POLICE VIOLENCE"

(4) Is it possible that a distorted, agenda-driven report begins with a distorted, agenda-driven principal source of data?

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by tsmall22204

All this talk, all I know is a handcuffed man, on the ground, posing no threat, was kneeled on and murder. Now you can quote all the studies you read on the internet (we know how true they are) but the fact remains, a black man was murdered while in handcuffs by a white officer.

But if the man who was kneeled on and died was white, his story wouldn’t even have made the national news. Because that wouldn’t fit the media’s false narrative of systemic police racism.

[baramu]

Bologna.

[Bay Kid]

Originally Posted by tsmall22204

All this talk, all I know is a handcuffed man, on the ground, posing no threat, was kneeled on and murder. Now you can quote all the studies you read on the internet (we know how true they are) but the fact remains, a black man was murdered while in handcuffs by a white officer.

Wait until you watch all the videos of the death of the black gentleman.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Dahabs

Another oft repeated oversimplification. You don't always have to be guilty to be arrested. However, once you are in the system, if you cannot afford bail and a decent lawyer you are screwed perhaps forever. Even if you are eventually discharged, you have likely lost your job, your housing and your debts have probably piled up.

Oh Pshaw.

Dad had seven siblings. Grams was one of nine. Not a single soul among them all and their offsprings and wives and sisters and cousins and aunts were arrested and have a record. No one needed to hire a decent or indecent lawyer. Had some speeders but no folks arrested.

I have lived on this earth for 80 years. We have dozens and dozens of family. Some are not the epitome of wonderful but they managed to avoid getting arrested, losing their job because of being arrested and worrying about a lawyer. I think that The Villages is full of people who have a similar experience.

DO NOT BLAME LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR ENFORCING THE LAW.

And if you aren't going to speak kindly about them don't call them cops. We know what you really say.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Yes, a social problem dating back to the mid 60s when lBJ almost solved it with the Civil Rights Act. He stopped short of a fix for the isolation into opposing ghetto camps. Busing was not enough - just a bandaid! If the US had, back in the 60s, then succeeded with a real community mixing program, we would now be ALL more of a similar color and much less polarized. LBJ was so, sssooo close to a permanent solution to domestic peace! Try the love thy neighbor principle more.

In that case, I am glad he failed. I do not feel that the gov should be involved in manipulating racial demographics in communities. Integration is not the same as assimilation. Concentrate on assimilation and integration will happen on it's own and more naturally.

I get the impression that a majority of people stand against racism when it's clearly identified. If you say racism exists somewhere out there in the ether and we need to fix it is when you lose some of your audience.

Show me racism and I'll stand next to you to defeat it.

When I hear profanity laced speeches being shouted through a bullhorn by a protester demanding reparations for slavery, defunding police and saying it's all because of racist cops, I see the accusation of racism being used as a weapon, a threat or an excuse to loot and act like a thug.

I support peaceful protest for continued changes in the way the police interact with the black population and being held accountable for bad cops.

I don't support opportunistic individuals looking for a quick money grab or power. An opportunity to call random strangers racist and push their political views if you disagree.