[Heyitsrick]

Originally Posted by djwill27

And to all the media conspiracy theorists, how can the media report a story the judge hasn’t released? It is strange how many people will believe BS and deny the truth from reliable sources. This entire story may be false, I haven’t heard it anywhere else.

You must mean examples like publishers secretly getting books to reporters when the same books are under legal review as to whether they can be legally released, right? Oh wait, that's never happened recently. Obviously the media couldn't report a story about the contents of a book that hasn't been legally released, right? Come on...

If there are other videos that exist that show events prior to the the ones we've already seen, they provide context, if nothing else. No, I didn't say exoneration. Not even close. I said context.

Of course, if people just want to think that this all happened in a vacuum with a cop who just wanted to murder someone, well, that's up to them. I'd like to know the events as they occurred. And police organizations around the country would likely benefit from having access to those, just to train what not to do in each of the initial phases of the process of dealing with someone who was going to be arrested.

[paquino]

I wonder if I would “actively resist “ if someone were kneeling on my neck!

[djwill27]

I think you did say exoneration, do you read your posts?

[Tom2172]

Floyd was media race hoax
Floyd died of Fentanyl overdose
It was one sided propaganda brainwashing
No information disputing the hoax is allowed
No witness statements Allowed
Just you must believe because fakenews demands it
No thinking no free will no free speech

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by djwill27

The police had Floyd controlled and murdered him. Whatever he did prior doesn’t matter at that point. The cop with his knee on Floyd’s neck is guilty period.

And to all the media conspiracy theorists, how can the media report a story the judge hasn’t released? It is strange how many people will believe BS and deny the truth from reliable sources. This entire story may be false, I haven’t heard it anywhere else.

I would agree with most of this except for a few details. The use of the words "the police" as if the entire police force of Minneapolis or all of the police forces in the United States are somehow complicit in what happened is a problem.

Wording like this is what is causing much of the problem that we are currently experiencing.

The fact is that this one officer who had a previous relationship with the deceased. It did not involve and systemic problem within a police department.

I also take issue with the term "murdered". Murder is a very specific term. In order to convict Officer Chauvin of murder it would have to be proven that he intentionally killed Floyd and did it with premeditation. He would have had to have gone out that day with the idea that he was going to find George Floyd and kill him.

Words are very powerful. We should be very careful how we use them.

The other issue that I have with a lot of the reporting and commentating about this is that there is not one single shred of evidence that this killing was racially motivated.

What created all of the protests and riots is a few people claiming that this was "another" racially motivated killing of a black man by "the police".

In fact, very few people, black, white or any color are killed by police. The vast majority of those that are, are justifiable killings.

Are there racists in police departments throughout the country? Of course there are and they should be weeded out. Are there bad cops? Yes! Just as there are bad lawyers, bad accountants and bad store managers.They also need to be weeded out.

The problem that we are currently experiencing is that a few race baiters in this country want to make this seem like it's a bigger problem than it is. They are trying to justify their existence by creating a bogie man to fight against.

All of this is much more about politics and power than it is about one bad cop unjustifiably killing a criminal.

It doesn't appear that George Floyd should have been killed and Derek Chauvin will be brought to justice. But blaming the millions of great, heroic police officers over this country for the actions of one person is absurd.

[Heyitsrick]

Originally Posted by djwill27

I think you did say exoneration, do you read your posts?

You didn't quote the person you're responding to. Who said exoneration? The original poster of this topic did, but he/she hasn't added any other posts in this thread.

[Coal Miner]

People please quit buying into these conspiracy theories.

[Girlcopper]

Originally Posted by John41

Judge refuses to release to public video exonerating police officers in Floyd arrest.

The footage shows Floyd “actively resisting and acting erratic," Gray said, adding that releasing pieces of the video has resulted in incomplete news reports and benefits prosecutors.

Old old news. That video was released a long time ago and was all over social mediA

[2mnydogs]

Originally Posted by seoulbrooks

No way! The media could never do that!

I rarely believe much of what the media publishes. After all, they are in the sales business, they sell their own agenda.

[Dana1963]

Originally Posted by John41

Judge refuses to release to public video exonerating police officers in Floyd arrest.

The footage shows Floyd “actively resisting and acting erratic," Gray said, adding that releasing pieces of the video has resulted in incomplete news reports and benefits prosecutors.

Wealth of misinformation!
The Judge and I quote “ The court finds that continuing pretrial publicity in this case by the attorneys involved will increase the risk of tainting a potential jury pool and will impair all parties' right to a fair trial," wrote judge

[George Page]

A confrontation between two idiots, forget their race and occupations, results in similar tragedies on a regular basis. Move on.

[Mardarlowe]

The media is always correct. Get on board.

[ficoguy]

You think the officer will get a fair trial?

[Martian]

"I also take issue with the term "murdered". Murder is a very specific term. In order to convict Officer Chauvin of murder, it would have to be proven that he intentionally killed Floyd and did it with premeditation. He would have had to have gone out that day with the idea that he was going to find George Floyd and kill him. "

Well, almost - the word murder does mean "premeditated killing". On the other hand legal murder does not require premeditation - more often called homicide. There are many forms of legal "murder", premeditated is just one of those forms. A murder can take place on the spur of the moment in an emotional context.

Murder (United States law - Wikipedia)

First-degree murder

Any intentional murder that is willful and premeditated with malice aforethought.

Felony murder

A charge that may be filed against a defendant who is involved in a dangerous crime where a death results from the crime, is typically first-degree.

Second-degree murder

Any intentional murder with malice aforethought, but is not premeditated or planned in advance.

Voluntary manslaughter

Sometimes called a crime of passion murder, is any intentional killing that involves no prior intent to kill, and which was committed under such circumstances that would "cause a reasonable person to become emotionally or mentally disturbed". Both this and second-degree murder are committed on the spot under a spur-of-the-moment choice, but the two differ in the magnitude of the circumstances surrounding the crime.

Involuntary manslaughter

A killing that stems from a lack of intention to cause death but involving an intentional or negligent act leading to death. A drunk driving-related death is typically involuntary manslaughter (see also vehicular homicide, causing death by dangerous driving, gross negligence manslaughter and causing death by criminal negligence for international equivalents). Note that the "unintentional" element here refers to the lack of intent to bring about death.

At the very least, barring more evidence to the contrary, the officer was guilty of involuntary manslaughter.

It seems we have evolved into a very judgmental society - every single thing that happens must be neatly forced into our own vision of reality.

#sad.

"Can't we all just get along"...

[Bay Kid]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

So, release some videos of the incident, but not all of them? I think all videos should have been released as soon as they were available. This is not a "new" video, as stated in the OP.

Almost 2 months of pure hell for our country. They only reported videos that caused riots, not the real truth. Resisting arrest. Working for years with the cop. High on drugs. Cleaning counterfeit money.