[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by geofitz13

Let's see. The leadership of the Confederacy, including the senior military officers, all served the Union prior to the Civil War. Could it be that they read the Declaration of Independence, and read that our forefathers said it was right for the people to change what they perceived as a bad government? Okay, they lost the war. They seem to have exercised their rights, and after the war, apparently were good citizens. So erase them from history because of a four year period?
The people who are taking down these statues are anarchists who only act on their own narrow beliefs. Who knows what those beliefs will be next week? What's next?

Don't "erase" traitors and those who saw nothing wrong with owning other human beings...from our history.

In fact, let's ensure that every school kid...knows ALL about them.

Just don't idolize them...on public property.

Especially since most of these statues/monuments were erected decades after the end of the Civil War and were primarily meant as a means of continuing Jim Crow laws...and intimidating black AMERICAN CITIZENS.

[roscoguy]

Originally Posted by geofitz13

Let's see. The leadership of the Confederacy, including the senior military officers, all served the Union prior to the Civil War. Could it be that they read the Declaration of Independence, and read that our forefathers said it was right for the people to change what they perceived as a bad government? Okay, they lost the war. They seem to have exercised their rights, and after the war, apparently were good citizens. So erase them from history because of a four year period?
The people who are taking down these statues are anarchists who only act on their own narrow beliefs. Who knows what those beliefs will be next week? What's next?

I'm afraid I can't follow your logic. So what if the Confederate officers served in the U.S. Army first? They declared cessation and then war to continue slavery, not really a "bad government" thing. Some former Confederate officers were very good citizens, others such as Forrest, not so much. Once again, as far as I'm aware, nobody here has justified what so many insist on calling 'erasing history'.
Further, if you see the Confederates as trying to change a bad government, aren't the protesters (NOT LOOTERS OR RIOTERS) doing pretty much the same?

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by roscoguy

I'm afraid I can't follow your logic. So what if the Confederate officers served in the U.S. Army first? They declared cessation and then war to continue slavery, not really a "bad government" thing. Some former Confederate officers were very good citizens, others such as Forrest, not so much. Once again, as far as I'm aware, nobody here has justified what so many insist on calling 'erasing history'.
Further, if you see the Confederates as trying to change a bad government, aren't the protesters (NOT LOOTERS OR RIOTERS) doing pretty much the same?

You are correct, with just an itty-bitty, almost insignificant and hardly even worth mentioning difference...between the confederacy and the current protestors.

That being, one group is protesting for equal treatment and justice for black American Citizens and the other group not only didn't want blacks as American citizens (or even thought of as human beings)...but also wanted the right to own them like any other chattel.

Other than that...they are exactly the same.

[roscoguy]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

You are correct, with just an itty-bitty, almost insignificant and hardly even worth mentioning difference...between the confederacy and the current protestors.

That being, one group is protesting for equal treatment and justice for black American Citizens and the other group not only didn't want blacks as American citizens (or even thought of as human beings)...but also wanted the right to own them like any other chattel.

Other than that...they are exactly the same.

Very true! It could even be called one of the ultimate ironies.

[Dennys37Packard]

[QUOTE=ColdNoMore;1792017][SIZE="3"]Prager U...AGAIN?


Not sure point you’re trying to make regarding fatherless homes, but according to NAACP website, blacks ARE 5 times more likely incarcerated, yes. But average total backs incarcerated yearly is 2 million + while black Fatherless homes average 6 million + . SO, one can understand what the claim Fatherless homes are Possibly the number one cause Of black kids getting into trouble because taking out the 2 million in jail, where are the OTHER 4 million men?
It doesn’t make it any easier, but I think Prager U makes a valid point. I know my Dad set me on a straighter path more than once in my life. More like .... more than a hundred😇.
I pray every day for racism to go away and let this country heal and move onwards, but just like a few bad cops need to be weeded out and let all the good ones do their jobs, we need to call out the race baiters and Those that profit off the continuing of this horrible divide. We are all people. Racism is learned. Put a bunch of babies or toddlers in a room at a daycare and they see friends, not color. Why can’t we all.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Dennys37Packard

Not sure point you’re trying to make regarding fatherless homes, but according to NAACP website, blacks ARE 5 times more likely incarcerated, yes. But average total backs incarcerated yearly is 2 million + while black Fatherless homes average 6 million + . SO, one can understand what the claim Fatherless homes are Possibly the number one cause Of black kids getting into trouble because taking out the 2 million in jail, where are the OTHER 4 million men?
It doesn’t make it any easier, but I think Prager U makes a valid point. I know my Dad set me on a straighter path more than once in my life. More like .... more than a hundred������.
I pray every day for racism to go away and let this country heal and move onwards, but just like a few bad cops need to be weeded out and let all the good ones do their jobs, we need to call out the race baiters and Those that profit off the continuing of this horrible divide.


We are all people. Racism is learned. Put a bunch of babies or toddlers in a room at a daycare and they see friends, not color. Why can’t we all.

completely.

So why do we see so many, particularly here in TV...who don't think the same way?

[DeanFL]

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[coffeebean]

[QUOTE=Dennys37Packard;1793086]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

[SIZE="3"]Prager U...AGAIN?


Not sure point you’re trying to make regarding fatherless homes, but according to NAACP website, blacks ARE 5 times more likely incarcerated, yes. But average total backs incarcerated yearly is 2 million + while black Fatherless homes average 6 million + . SO, one can understand what the claim Fatherless homes are Possibly the number one cause Of black kids getting into trouble because taking out the 2 million in jail, where are the OTHER 4 million men?
It doesn’t make it any easier, but I think Prager U makes a valid point. I know my Dad set me on a straighter path more than once in my life. More like .... more than a hundred😇.
I pray every day for racism to go away and let this country heal and move onwards, but just like a few bad cops need to be weeded out and let all the good ones do their jobs, we need to call out the race baiters and Those that profit off the continuing of this horrible divide. We are all people. Racism is learned. Put a bunch of babies or toddlers in a room at a daycare and they see friends, not color. Why can’t we all.

This is the way it used to be for me but not now. I didn't see skin color; I saw the person. My entire outlook has changed now because of this BLM movement. I will never unsee what they are doing to our government and LEO. This crap has to stop NOW!!!

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

This is the way it used to be for me but not now. I didn't see skin color; I saw the person. My entire outlook has changed now because of this BLM movement. I will never unsee what they are doing to our government and LEO. This crap has to stop NOW!!!

Serious question, what made you decide to judge the vast overall majority of protestors (who are doing so peacefully)...by the abhorrent actions of just a few?

Were you outraged at all young white men and lump them all together, when Dylan Roof slaughtered black parishioners...in their own church?

Do you judge all Baptist's and/or christians, by the disgusting actions and writings...of the Westboro Baptist Church?

Etc., etc., etc.

I'm just curious as to why you're now doing it...with Black Lives Matter?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Serious question, what made you decide to judge the vast overall majority of protestors (who are doing so peacefully)...by the abhorrent actions of just a few?

Were you outraged at all young white men and lump them all together, when Dylan Roof slaughtered black parishioners...in their own church?

Do you judge all Baptist's and/or christians, by the disgusting actions and writings...of the Westboro Baptist Church?

Etc., etc., etc.

I'm just curious as to why you're now doing it...with Black Lives Matter?

I don't have to explain my personal feelings but I will give just a bit of insight......

Mass killings, in many instances, are a result of an individual who is mentally unstable. I'm sad but not outraged when killings happen to innocent people.

This BLM movement has left a very bad taste in my mouth and I can't get rid of it. "ALL LIVES MATTER" is criticized the BLM movement. Really? I'm disheartened it has come to this where all lives don't matter.

[Luisa]

Originally Posted by Lady Catherine

Those T-shirts should read “Fathers Matter”!!! (Look at the facts folks! )

Excellent point!

[Bay Kid]

Who gave the children paint?

[Gulfcoast]

Originally Posted by roscoguy

I'm afraid I can't follow your logic. So what if the Confederate officers served in the U.S. Army first? They declared cessation and then war to continue slavery, not really a "bad government" thing. Some former Confederate officers were very good citizens, others such as Forrest, not so much. Once again, as far as I'm aware, nobody here has justified what so many insist on calling 'erasing history'.
Further, if you see the Confederates as trying to change a bad government, aren't the protesters (NOT LOOTERS OR RIOTERS) doing pretty much the same?

When the idea of a "peaceful protest" happening in your community strikes terror in your heart because you are afraid that something horrible is going to happen to your town that is no longer a peaceful thing.

[Gulfcoast]

Originally Posted by KRM0614

Crazy it’s not white people it’s whichever network you’re watching ...who has been destroying businesses all over this country burning businesses, attacking owners shooting killing destroying lives but their lives didn’t matter. They were black and white. All of them should pay to repair all of the carnage

Yep. The rioters are a pretty diverse crowd. So are their victims.

This is not about race although some folks sure love to play that card. It makes them untouchable.

[Heaven Bound]

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