[Madelaine Amee]

The Governor can open anything he wants, but it is clearly up to us, the individual, to decide when we are confident to return to a normal way of living. It will be time for us when we have a reliable vaccine, until then take out will do.

[DonnaNi4os]

I agree that everyone needs to do what is right for them. All I keep thinking is Phase 4, hospitals at full capacity. Sure hope I’m wrong.

[Astron]

Originally Posted by Scott O

COVID-19 SURVIVAL RATES (per CDC):
Ages 0-19: 99.997%
Ages 20-49: 99.98%
Ages 50-69: 99.5%
Ages 70+: 94.6%
Sounds more like political hysteria from the left, to remain locked down....not facts...

If we can go to war over less than 4,000 killed on 9-11, it seems like something that has already killed over 200,000 Americans should be dealt with with the degree of effort and sacrifice we put into a war. With 4% of the world population, the USA has over 20% of the COVID19 deaths. That is an excess of over 165,000 deaths if we had just done an average public health response compared to the rest of the world.
Pandemics do not care about politics. They do not care if you are inconvenienced. Extreme measures are needed in times of plague, but Americans seem to have forgotten that sacrifice might be required of them in times of Crisis. They proclaim their right of choice even when their choice may kill innocents. We are so polarized that what should have been simple, Save the most lives possible, has become political fodder. The pandemic will run its course, given time. But how many could be saved from death and long term health issues if Americans were not so spoiled that they would not sacrifice to save them?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

If other tables are too close to us we reserve the right to turn and leave.

Too early for this, the last time they opened things up people died.

Just going inside for a short time exposes you and yours to INCREASED risks. Indoors is 15 times as bad as outdoors. Be careful! Your taste buds may reward you, but the rest of your body could be VERY unhappy. Look to Spain as an example of the wisdom of returning to normal. Do that BEFORE you reactively blame me for advocating for CAUTION.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by thelegges

Or get people back to work so they can put food on their table and pay their rent. Food banks are running thin.

Doesn’t mean you have to go out, Because being retired means you get money every month.

By opening it will be one more child will have food to eat

CV has made drastic economic changes. The sooner the OLD restaurant system is done away with the better. Open air portable meal carts and trucks MAY(?) be the answer. Super ventilated indoor areas may be the future? New methods to satisfy food and entertainment needs will be invented, designed, and implemented. And the CHILDREN of these NEW workers may or may not have improved quality of life - it depends on innovators thinking "outside the box" - and politicians using political SCIENCE and stimulating innovation and new ideas. The PAST has past, but we still cling to it.

[Roron123]

Every body should do their own thing as they wish! But this is good!

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Just going inside for a short time exposes you and yours to INCREASED risks. Indoors is 15 times as bad as outdoors. Be careful! Your taste buds may reward you, but the rest of your body could be VERY unhappy. Look to Spain as an example of the wisdom of returning to normal. Do that BEFORE you reactively blame me for advocating for CAUTION.

Kind of why we almost always (one exception so far) dine outdoors at restaurants.

The exception was nobody was within 20 ft.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by DanBrew

It is just so simple if you are unhealthy and at risk, stay home. If not, stop living in fear. The CDC has revealed that 94% of reported deaths were not solely due to the deadly virus. No one wants to be sick, but understand that viruses have existed in our ecosystem since the beginning of time. Use good hygiene and some common sense and try to get beyond this apocolyptic fear driven mentality.

Wait and see what the true risks really are before passing judgement and going straight to "downplaying".

[graciegirl]

Sometimes there is NO solution to problems. I am amazed at the people who do not believe that.

They get angry and blame. Bottom line, this microbe is a new one and it kills people. If we had totally locked down it wouldn't have killed so many all so soon, but then our ability to take care of ourselves, especially those with no savings would still be stymied, and that put the population at another very serious risk.

This is a complex problem with no easy solution.

I think there will be a vaccine in a few months but it will not save everyone and will not keep everyone from getting Covid-19. Hopefully at least it will lessen it's severity.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by SisalPhil

Freedom of Choice this still the USA.

That is NOT a guaranteed constant.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Not true and a bit of hyperbole. Once there is a vaccine, life will be returning back to normal.

I am truely sad to say this. But, a vaccine will NOT be the silver bullet that you imagine it will be. There will be ANTI-vaccers who do not take it in the US in large numbers. There are MANY problems with distribution ( 2 doses may be needed). Storage for distribution requires neg 112 deg F, which is only easy in special laboratories.

Masks may be needed for 4 or more years......really sorry.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Heyitsrick

I don't think you realize that your commentary is really making this all about you and others like you. Where's the commentary on how restaurants are going to survive with less business over a long period of time? The restaurant owners probably have families to support. They most certainly have many bills to pay. The workers are trying to make a living, keep a job and pay their bills. But you're saying this is about YOU still being able to enjoy life. It's a narrow view, in my opinion, because it neglects the cost of occupancy restrictions on the businesses, themselves.

You don't have to go out. The restaurants have to make money to stay in business.

Here's a compromise: Offer to pay DOUBLE what the normal bill is for a meal out IF the restaurant(s) continue to adhere to 50% capacity. Presumably no one is going out to eat every night, so paying double is not going to break you, right? Win-win. You get your security of not being around as many people, and the restaurants can survive on having fewer clientele patronizing.

Now, you may think the above is just a facetious comment, but it absolutely does bring to the fore the cost of severely reduced business, which seems to be lost on many here posting. I don't see where your "enjoying life" is enhanced when restaurant after restaurant needs to permanently close due to lost revenue. Again, if a restaurant owner thinks they can still make things work at lower capacity, more power to them. But that's their choice to make, just as it's your choice whether to patronize them at higher capacity.

Society must change to the new post CV world. New food distribution systems will be created.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by bumpygreens

In what world does an economy prosper by shutting down? Have you even bothered to look at the daily statistics for new cases and deaths? We are returning with far fewer cases and deaths on a daily basis. I won't call your post clueless, but I do wish you much better luck in your future attempts at thinking.

WELL, it worked for the world outside the US - Austalia, New Zealand, S. Korea, Japan, and Germany to just name a few. Check me out on this, if you don't believe me!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Really? Let’s look at the Florida numbers. In the months of March-June when fewer people were wearing masks, there were fewer deaths. When mask wearing became virtually mandatory in July & August, the death rate from the virus tripled. Facts, not feelings...

That is a cute distortion of facts, pretty shallow. Remember the movie, "Shallow Hal"?

[Snorkl46]

In the last seven days, there have been 735 reported Covid deaths. To me that is not insignificant. Also, this week Florida will pass New Jersey, an initial epi-center, in total Covid deaths. Yesterday, Jersey had 6 reported deaths while Florida had 107.