[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Scbang

If we had a complete lock down of the country like Korea and Japan did, we could have opened ALL business by now with a bit of restriction. By not buttoning the first button correctly, we are now in no win situation.

Finally, an intelligent and informative post. It is ethnocentric to NOT look at how other countries have SUCCESSFULLY handled the Virus. And now ask why the US failed? It is SSSOOOO easy!

[Swoop]

Maybe we should have followed Sweden’s lead and left everything running. Rather than choosing to spread the virus out like we did, they left their economy open. They didn’t suffer the negative economic impact we did and they quickly achieved herd immunity. Now their nationwide deaths from Covid are down to one or two per day...

[davem4616]

Life goes on....we can't allow every small business to fail, but we also can't place those at risk in harms way...trying to find a happy medium is the challenge

We take responsibility for ourselves and our own health & safety...we wear masks, we wash our hands and we maintain social distancing to the best of our ability

We absolutely have no intention of 'hiding in the house', but will continue to play it as safe as we feel appropriate

We'll go to "The Squares" periodically...but most likely remain on the sidewalks vs. bothering to get a ticket and wait in line to get in

We'll vote in person and grocery shop in person

As much as we like going to The Sharon and The Savannah Center if there's no vaccine when they reopen, we'll wait...same with the movie houses

We'll go to a few select restaurants, like we have been, but mostly we'll cook at home...the food is better and less costly anyway

We'll avoid flying...but we'll travel via auto and stay in high end hotels

Shortly we're off for a week at the beach...nice little beachfront cottage...cooking in all week

Next up is a trip up to South Carolina's Low Country...exact timing TBD

Wife had a girlfriend neighbor over for 'coffee and' the other morning....they're playing it safe too....low risk

We had backdoor neighbors over for dinner a week or two ago...they're playing it safe too...low risk

We had a friend and his wife over for wine & conversation...they're playing it safe too...low risk

just not interested in herding into a crowded bar or restaurant with folks that we don't know yet

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Maybe we should have followed Sweden’s lead and left everything running. Rather than choosing to spread the virus out like we did, they left their economy open. They didn’t suffer the negative economic impact we did and they quickly achieved herd immunity. Now their nationwide deaths from Covid are down to one or two per day...

Herd immunity or herd mentality. It is a non-scientific rationalization for the US to return to "normal" without being close to normal in reality. Look to Germany and Japan for correct results, not Sweden.

[Joe V.]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Herd immunity or herd mentality. It is a non-scientific rationalization for the US to return to "normal" without being close to normal in reality. Look to Germany and Japan for correct results, not Sweden.

A quick search reveals many scientists disagree with your remark of herd immunity being a non-scientific rationalization.

For example:

“Herd Immunity”: A Rough Guide
Paul Fine, Ken Eames, David L. Heymann

Clinical Infectious Diseases, Volume 52, Issue 7, 1 April 2011, Pages 911–916

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by Joe V.

A quick search reveals many scientists disagree with your remark of herd immunity being a non-scientific rationalization.

For example:

“Herd Immunity”: A Rough Guide
Paul Fine, Ken Eames, David L. Heymann

Clinical Infectious Diseases, Volume 52, Issue 7, 1 April 2011, Pages 911–916

Then how do you explain the fact that Sweden is down to 1 or 2 Covid deaths per day now?

[Joe V.]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Then how do you explain the fact that Sweden is down to 1 or 2 Covid deaths per day now?

Read the paper I mentioned in my first quote. I never said anything other than many scientists do think herd immunity is real and science based.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by vilger

I am just being truthful. I know there are a lot of NY haters out there, but they reopened intelligently, listened to the scientists, and have had a COVID positivity rate of 1% or less for months now.

I believe that we should listen to the scientists for guidance on reopening, and they say the Florida positivity rate is still too high. Listen to the scientists for medical advice, not a politician who is currently touring on a COVID superspreader road show, and believes that he is a scientific genius because he is able to distinguish a drawing of an elephant from that of a giraffe on a dementia test.

covid deaths in new york state - Bing

Covid deaths in Florida - Bing

Florida is more populous than New York State.

[yankygrl]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Restaurants, bars and other businesses can open at 100% capacity. Not sure I'm on board for that at this point. Sad to say, hubby and I will not be dining in as much as we have in the past when occupancy was 50%. It is still too hot for us to dine outside. Not happy with this decision to go ahead with Phase 3 of Florida's re-opening plan.

That’s your choice, no one is mandating you go to restaurants. I for one am happy to have the chance to get out a bit more.

[JoMar]

Originally Posted by Leadbone1

Absolutely not. The masks that people are wearing around here are absolutely pointless . Read what world renowned epidemiologist have said about masks. The Covid molecule is so small it can even pass through an N 95 mask. These cloth face coverings that people are wearing are absolutely useless other than for psychological purposes. I see people wearing masks into restaurants and then taking them off when they sit down. Virtually the whole restaurant is that way. As it should be. Don’t you all realize how ridiculous this is?

I do think your logic is ridiculous but it works for you right?

[JoMar]

It's all about the money.....tis the season so making things available for the snowbirds and tourists is the only think that matters. Disney, Universal need more people inside. Hopefully there will be surprises over the next couple months and the cases and deaths won't increase. I never lead in these things so will sit back and watch the non-believers, uninformed or those that make up the statistics take the lead.

[vilger]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

covid deaths in new york state - Bing

Covid deaths in Florida - Bing

Florida is more populous than New York State.

Try looking at the the recent past; not the accumulated death toll since March. NY has averaged only a handful of deaths per day since the end of June. Florida has been averaging over 100+ deaths per day.

[Joe V.]

Originally Posted by vilger

Try looking at the the recent past; not the accumulated death toll since March. NY has averaged only a handful of deaths per day since the end of June. Florida has been averaging over 100+ deaths per day.

A good book to read: Lying with Statistics

[Jazzman]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Finally, an intelligent and informative post. It is ethnocentric to NOT look at how other countries have SUCCESSFULLY handled the Virus. And now ask why the US failed? It is SSSOOOO easy!

They used contact tracing via an individual’s cell phone. You would be okay with a government entity tracking your whereabouts 24x7? Specific to South Korea, They also confiscated medical supplies from commercial companies and as yet there has not been a final decision on the repayment methods. You’re okay with that too?

[Jazzman]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Sometimes there is NO solution to problems. I am amazed at the people who do not believe that.

They get angry and blame. Bottom line, this microbe is a new one and it kills people. If we had totally locked down it wouldn't have killed so many all so soon, but then our ability to take care of ourselves, especially those with no savings would still be stymied, and that put the population at another very serious risk.

This is a complex problem with no easy solution.

I think there will be a vaccine in a few months but it will not save everyone and will not keep everyone from getting Covid-19. Hopefully at least it will lessen it's severity.

The vaccine from at least one company who is in phase three trials does prevent infection from Covid. Another in phase three not only prevents but has been shown to eliminate the virus. You can look it up. And just how many people do you believe don’t get an annual flu shot. You can go to the CDC website and find out. But here’s a stat. Only 60% of individuals 65 and older in 2019 got a flu shot. So that leaves 40% at risk. The same will hold true with the Covid vaccine and in the initial year of availability the percentage of individuals 65 and older who get the Covid vaccine will be in my opinion less than 60%.