[rstebbins]

just because they are open 100 percent doesn’t mean they will be full. Have been eating out a lot and nothing is full. Feel sorry for the people trying to make a living or a profit from their business. it’s tough

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by vilger

I have heart disease but can easily live another 20 years with medication. I get COVID and die; I might not have died from COVID if I had not had heart disease in addition to COVID. Are you telling me that my cause of death was not really COVID?

Then STAY HOME. And leave the rest of us to live life.

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by DonnaNi4os

I agree that everyone needs to do what is right for them. All I keep thinking is Phase 4, hospitals at full capacity. Sure hope I’m wrong.

It never happened, it will not happen.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Heyitsrick

I don't think you realize that your commentary is really making this all about you and others like you. Where's the commentary on how restaurants are going to survive with less business over a long period of time? The restaurant owners probably have families to support. They most certainly have many bills to pay. The workers are trying to make a living, keep a job and pay their bills. But you're saying this is about YOU still being able to enjoy life. It's a narrow view, in my opinion, because it neglects the cost of occupancy restrictions on the businesses, themselves.

You don't have to go out. The restaurants have to make money to stay in business.

Here's a compromise: Offer to pay DOUBLE what the normal bill is for a meal out IF the restaurant(s) continue to adhere to 50% capacity. Presumably no one is going out to eat every night, so paying double is not going to break you, right? Win-win. You get your security of not being around as many people, and the restaurants can survive on having fewer clientele patronizing.

Now, you may think the above is just a facetious comment, but it absolutely does bring to the fore the cost of severely reduced business, which seems to be lost on many here posting. I don't see where your "enjoying life" is enhanced when restaurant after restaurant needs to permanently close due to lost revenue. Again, if a restaurant owner thinks they can still make things work at lower capacity, more power to them. But that's their choice to make, just as it's your choice whether to patronize them at higher capacity.

I see your point and others who have made the same point that restaurants need more than 50% occupancy to remain viable. I get it. Having said that, I will not pay double if a restaurant remains at 50% capacity. Hubby and I have been supporting our local restaurants from the first day they were able to open their indoor dining rooms. There are others who have yet to leave their homes let alone go to a restaurant so I can honestly say we are not in that segment of the population.

After claiming I will not dine out with the 100% occupancy for indoor dining rooms, hubby and I did go to breakfast this morning just to test the waters and found that First Watch on 466A still had their tables spaced for social distancing. Tables and chairs are still lining the sides of the dining room, not in use. I was happy to see that so we stayed. I'm wondering how long it will be before our local restaurants will jump in with 100% occupancy. Time will tell.

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I am truely sad to say this. But, a vaccine will NOT be the silver bullet that you imagine it will be. There will be ANTI-vaccers who do not take it in the US in large numbers. There are MANY problems with distribution ( 2 doses may be needed). Storage for distribution requires neg 112 deg F, which is only easy in special laboratories.

Masks may be needed for 4 or more years......really sorry.

Those that won't get the vaccine are Darwin's Children. Too bad for them but does not affect the rest of us. Get the vaccine and live life.

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

WELL, it worked for the world outside the US - Austalia, New Zealand, S. Korea, Japan, and Germany to just name a few. Check me out on this, if you don't believe me!

Perhaps YOU should do some checking.Every one of the countries you quote now has increasing spikes. Australia and New Zealand are back in lock down/ Japan and the rest have locked down parts of their countries. All they did was delay the virus, not stop it. Sweden got it right.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by merrymini

I have had enough. Expecting restaurants to install plexi between tables! Stay home.

I never said I expect restaurants to install plexiglass between TABLES. What I said was I feel safe with the plexiglass between the booths allowing restaurants to seat patrons in all of their booths. That is a win win for the restaurant and the patrons.

In fact, nicer restaurants have actually added building material such as wood and wood trim in between the booths. Long Horn Steak House is one of these restaurants. First Watch on 466A also has installed wood as barriers between booths. I'm hoping these additions will remain forever. These help to keep the noise level down.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by BlackhawksFan

If he wanted to save the state economy all he had to do was shut every thing down and mandate masks and all the CDC guidelines in March. We'd be returning now with far fewer cases and deaths on a daily basis.

I have been a proponent of this tactic from the beginning. We would be so close to being "normal" at this point and time in this pandemic. Problem is there was no way we would have achieved near the compliance that was needed to kill this virus in its tracks.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Joe V.

A quick search reveals many scientists disagree with your remark of herd immunity being a non-scientific rationalization.

For example:

“Herd Immunity”: A Rough Guide
Paul Fine, Ken Eames, David L. Heymann

Clinical Infectious Diseases, Volume 52, Issue 7, 1 April 2011, Pages 911–916

Germany, Japan, Australia, New Zealand and other countries have achieved a return to normal living - without resorting to the pain, death, and lifelong complications that could have happened if they tried the "radical" concept of herd immunity. They declined to try it and have prospered because of it. Their methods have worked. Nothing succeeds like success.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Really? Let’s look at the Florida numbers. In the months of March-June when fewer people were wearing masks, there were fewer deaths. When mask wearing became virtually mandatory in July & August, the death rate from the virus tripled. Facts, not feelings...

You can thank the anti-maskers for the increase in numbers. Not everyone wears a mask so there is that.

[Joe V.]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Germany, Japan, Australia, New Zealand and other countries have achieved a return to normal living - without resorting to the pain, death, and lifelong complications that could have happened if they tried the "radical" concept of herd immunity. They declined to try it and have prospered because of it. Their methods have worked. Nothing succeeds like success.

Again, you failed to understand your misguided statement that herd immunity is a non-scientific rationalization. It is not. It is real. No matter what you say. It is not "radical". I bet you did not even check out my source which I conveniently supplied in my original post. They only thing radical is comments such as yours. Science denier.

[vilger]

Originally Posted by Joe V.

A good book to read: Lying with Statistics

Current public policy should be based on current data, not stale data.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by alan5676

So now that restaurants can be at 100%, would you pay double for your meal if they chose to be 50% capacity. Please answer honestly

Honestly, no.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Jazzman

They used contact tracing via an individual’s cell phone. You would be okay with a government entity tracking your whereabouts 24x7? Specific to South Korea, They also confiscated medical supplies from commercial companies and as yet there has not been a final decision on the repayment methods. You’re okay with that too?

Yes, I would rather lose a few small freedoms to have greater positive gains. Post CV is a WHOLE new world. You probably click your seatbelt on now. I doubt you try to go around every speedbump? Any cell phone in the US can be tracked anyway. If that bothered me, I could just leave it at home, maybe buy disposable phones? I would rather be alive and enjoying a normal life than worrying about a government conspiracy to track me. I am not worth their tracking me!

I would rather be alive in Australia, Japan or New Zealand than be ashes in an urn in TV Land.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Aloha1

Leave your erroneous comments and political diatribe out of this discussion. If you have some real scientific fact to post do so. What you suggest was tried in Europe. Didn't work.

Worked in Germany.