[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

Didn't Floyd and the police officer work together as bouncers at a local bar?

According to the bar owner, they both worked there (along with 20 some odd other security/bouncers), but never during the same shifts...

He said he didn't think they even knew each other...

[flflowers]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Not just while he died. An argument can be made that he struggled violently up until the end and needed to be held down with force. I don't believe it, but it's an excuse that could, theoretically, work.

What won't work is ANY excuse that he CONTINUED kneeling on Floyd's neck AFTER he learned Floyd no longer had a pulse and had ceased struggling. He REFUSED to let up. The video shows this, it's clear, there's no way around it. The cop caused Floyd's death, and made SURE he was dead by continuing to cut off his circulation after he no longer had a pulse.

That is the unforgiveable part, and the part that needs to be punished. That is what makes it not "homicide" but "murder."

you obviously did not watch the video with EXPERT commentary

[flflowers]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Not just while he died. An argument can be made that he struggled violently up until the end and needed to be held down with force. I don't believe it, but it's an excuse that could, theoretically, work.

What won't work is ANY excuse that he CONTINUED kneeling on Floyd's neck AFTER he learned Floyd no longer had a pulse and had ceased struggling. He REFUSED to let up. The video shows this, it's clear, there's no way around it. The cop caused Floyd's death, and made SURE he was dead by continuing to cut off his circulation after he no longer had a pulse.

That is the unforgiveable part, and the part that needs to be punished. That is what makes it not "homicide" but "murder."

why don't you watch the video before you call it murder

[Two Bills]

Like many of todays problem, race and politics is a major factor on public opinion, and so it has proved in this case.
One half of the political/racial divide calls it murder, and the other half call it justifiable homicide.
From the majority of media reports and opinions I have seen and read so far, the officer has already been found guilty.
One thing for sure, if the verdict is anything but guilty, Minnesota will be burning!
JMO.

[Bay Kid]

Originally Posted by jmintzer5

According to the bar owner, they both worked there (along with 20 some odd other security/bouncers), but never during the same shifts...

He said he didn't think they even knew each other...

The bar owner really would like the pressure off his business. Point is they worked at the same place which was never mentioned by the media. Something doesn't add up. Passing/cleaning counterfeit money?

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by tvbound

As was proved by the Rodney King verdict, justice is not always served. What can't be unseen by millions around the world however, is a white cop with 18 previous complaints, who knelt on the neck of a totally restrained black man for over 8 minutes - while the black man died. No amount of spin, will ever change that.

Spin?? Is that the new definition of facts?

[tvbound]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

Spin?? Is that the new definition of facts?

You might understand it better, if instead of the word "spin" - insert "alternative facts."

[collie1228]

Regardless of the facts, if anyone thinks that this "trial" is anything but predetermined, you must be living in an alternate universe. The late introduction of the 3rd Degree Murder charge should tell you all you need to know.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by collie1228

Regardless of the facts, if anyone thinks that this "trial" is anything but predetermined, you must be living in an alternate universe. The late introduction of the 3rd Degree Murder charge should tell you all you need to know.

I don't believe the outcome of this trial is predetermined and the late introduction of the 3rd degree murder charge (if there was one, I don't know) only serves to confirm that.

If the trial is predetermined in favor of the prosecution then why would introduce a lesser charge? The prosecution could sit back and wait for a conviction on the more serious charge.

If the trial is predetermined in favor of the defense then why introduce a lesser charge? Introduction of a lesser charge when the outcome has already been decided would appear to be an act of desperation move and would work against the prosecution.

I don't know what the correct verdict is and I don't know if the jury will return it. I do know a lot of people have already decided what they will accept as a proper verdict and unfortunately, that says a lot about our country today.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by tvbound

You might understand it better, if instead of the word "spin" - insert "alternative facts."

Yes...have found folks don't like the term "liar" or "spin" but ar comfortable with "alternate facts". Strange world

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

The bar owner really would like the pressure off his business. Point is they worked at the same place which was never mentioned by the media. Something doesn't add up. Passing/cleaning counterfeit money?

Except that it -was- mentioned by the media... That's how I learned they both worked at the same place, but on different shifts...

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by jmintzer5

Except that it -was- mentioned by the media... That's how I learned they both worked at the same place, but on different shifts...

BUT, perhaps never mentioned on YOUTUBE

[PugMom]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Not just while he died. An argument can be made that he struggled violently up until the end and needed to be held down with force. I don't believe it, but it's an excuse that could, theoretically, work.

What won't work is ANY excuse that he CONTINUED kneeling on Floyd's neck AFTER he learned Floyd no longer had a pulse and had ceased struggling. He REFUSED to let up. The video shows this, it's clear, there's no way around it. The cop caused Floyd's death, and made SURE he was dead by continuing to cut off his circulation after he no longer had a pulse.

That is the unforgiveable part, and the part that needs to be punished. That is what makes it not "homicide" but "murder."

there's something very odd about this whole story & no one is covering it: the fact that floyd & the officer KNEW EACH OTHER, & had once worked the same security detail outside a nightclub. i had to read that in the uk mail, & they even had a picture taken of the 2 standing together. it is my belief this cop knew who's neck he was kneeling on, the question is why. where, oh where is Perry Mason?

[PugMom]

Originally Posted by Bucco

BUT, perhaps never mentioned on YOUTUBE

looks like we had the same idea. posted within minutes of each other!

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by PugMom

looks like we had the same idea. posted within minutes of each other!

I will never mention this post because your reputation will take a serious hit.