[Mrprez]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I saw a report on the news that looters were leaving stores with full appliances. They know what they need so just go and take it!!!! It's not "baby needs a new pair of shoes", it's "wifey needs a new washing machine and dryer".

I saw the news report of the guy stealing what appeared to be a washing machine. He even had the forethought to bring or steal a two wheeled cart to carry said appliance home.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by 72lions

Of course this is not accurate. The bi-polar nan had a kitchen knife for God sake. Another unnecessary killing.

People have been known to kill people with a knife. You call this an "unnecessary" killing? Bi-polar people have been know to kill people. You call this an "unnecessary killing"?

I respectfully disagree with your comment.

Did you see this article about a police officer in the Philippines who was killed when he attempted to break up a cock fight? The blade that is attached to the cock's leg, slashed him in his femoral artery. The officer died..........

httphttps://www.foxnews.com/world/po...ing-up-game://

Did I make my point?

[Fredman]

Originally Posted by loribellitt

But could you at least just aim for a leg? Maybe you're not a sure shot but these police officers are supposed to be trained professionals.

They are trained to shoot at the mass

[Fredman]

Originally Posted by Choro&Swing

Philadelphia itself has a population of about 1.6 million. Of those, 644,000 are African-Americans. (The large metropolitan area has about 6 million people, the 8th largest in the U.S.) The news sources I’ve just looked at are saying maybe a thousand people looting and another thousand protesting, but of course those numbers could vary and may grow. That is to say, it looks like it is a very tiny percentage of the population that is rioting and looting or marching. I lived within two hours of Philadelphia for 34 years, and while I avoided going there as much as possible, I was there two or three dozen times. A huge percentage of the African-American population are hard workers with nice houses spreading over many miles. There are also appalling slums with run-down housing and what seem to be run-down people. Those areas scare me. The same goes for many cities. Don’t assume that everyone is looting.

Here is a proposal I’ve come up with. The U.S. government should offer “reparations” of $1,000 a month per person for 25 years only available to descendants of slaves from Africa and only if they live in South Carolina, Georgia, Mississippi, Alabama, or Louisiana. Those states, the Deep South, were responsible for the great majority of Africans brought here, and they are close to being majorities in these states today. If this were done, millions who are barely getting by would move south. Those African-Americans remaining in the north would be prospering and law-abiding, living the American Dream. In the Deep South, African-Americans would soon become the majority everywhere. By voting, they could assure that nearly every legislator, judge, or office holder of any sort would be African-American. They would be responsible for their own fate. Nearly all police officers would be African-American, too. They could make their own laws and have their own justice system that they consider fair. Many European-Americans might choose to leave, but this would leave housing and jobs available for those moving to the area. Some would consider the money enough to live on, if they are in a family setting, without working. For others, the extra money would be enough on top of a salary to live well. The cost to the taxpayers nationwide might be offset by savings In the costs for police, prisons, welfare, schools, etc. The infrastructure in the Deep South or airports, roads, factories, farms, hospitals, etc. would help this work.

And how do you trace them back to slavery.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by daca55

You need to put yourself in the cops place and I bet your reaction to the butter knife would be the same to keep yourself from getting hurt. It’s easy to judge from the sidelines

Has it been reported that the knife was a butter knife?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by camaguey48

Between the legs maybe?

Now THAT would certainly bring him to his knees!!!

[Fredman]

Originally Posted by newgirl

It is not self defence if the other does not have a gun. There are many options beside murder to stand your ground, sadly the union police have make it impossible to put them in jail even if they shoot a innocent person.

Oh, so a knife isn’t a weapon

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

I don't know if you have any experience shooting a pistol because it is extremely difficult for a good marksman to hit something as small as a leg on a moving person. In a panic situation adrenaline surge will affect fine motor skills, such as aiming a gun properly and accurately. It also causes a person to have tunnel vision so most people involved in a shooting don't accurately remember how many rounds they shot. Most will say only a few when a number of shot were fired. The vast majority of police officers in their entire 20+ years of service never pull their gun in the line of duty let alone have to shoot someone. It takes a lot of training in these types of scenarios to give officers the knowledge of what to do. However, training only goes so far, it takes an actual shoot out to hone those skills. The military trains all the time for war and even after all the training the death rate for new to battle soldiers is higher than for experienced fighters.
Unlike in Hollywood movies where one shot from a pistol kills the person immediately, in the real world it can take numerous shots from a pistol to stop them unless the heart or central nervous system (brain, spinal cord) is hit by a bullet. A mentally deranged and violent person can be almost immune to pain and absorb a number of bullets and still kill the police officer.
Many police departments don't have the funds for recurring marksmanship training, they fund for the annual or semi-annual qualification requirement of the officer and that is it. You will find that most police officers are mediocre to poor marksman due to the lack of training so one of them hitting a leg is going to be quite an accomplishment. Police officers are taught to shoot center of mass on a person because it is so difficult to hit a leg or arm on a person and the center of mass hit produces a faster stop to the aggression.

Very informative post. What is your opinion about tranquilizer darts in that situation? Can robotic Police be perfected in the future to take care of many (not all) of these situations in your opinion?

[Justus]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

It IS true that society needs law enforcement. But, they want unbiased law enforcement, not shoot-em-up cowboys with disregard for human life. Most Police are fine individuals......but......there are some that are BAD apples, to begin with. There are some that become jaded after years in the job (that is almost human nature) and should be given desk jobs. And many departments are controlled by OVERLY strong unions. That has been mentioned on this forum before.

Both Police and Military individuals at all levels have a tendency when putting on a uniform to take on an attitude of superiority. They can lose sight of humility and empathy. There are exceptions of course but these particular individuals covet power over others and the uniform gives them that power. Not saying that it is everyone or even rampant, but it does happen. After History like Jim Crow and current events like the Floyd murder, Black and Brown people are afraid of Police in uniform. Also Kent State with respect to the military.

In the future, when robotic Police are perfected, the fear of harm to themselves will be eliminated. They can be programmed with techniques of social science also. In the meantime, the combination of bad Cops and civilians with mental problems will persist. It is a problem that needs to be solved. The US needs to look at other more successful countries for answers. But, that rarely happens!

George Floyd had 2-3 times the lethal dose of fentanyl in his system when he died, as well as a long history of coronary artery disease. He was a dead man walking before he attacked the police. Many such doped-up individuals are exceedingly violent, and have the strength of several large adult males. They often can "come back to life" after being pronounced dead at the scene several minutes beforehand, only to kill an unsuspecting EMT, LEO or medical attendant. It is possible the officers involved were afraid of this while he was being held down.

It's easy to judge and not put yourself in the officer's shoes. Today, the officer is immediately declared guilty by news media and interested parties. No one but a Police Officer is declared a murderer before being tried and convicted. With the current situation as it is, despite significant evidence to the contrary, he may be sacrificed in the name of social justice.

Being a Police Officer today is a no-win situation. Most become LEOs because as children, they have dreams of saving lives and protecting the innocent. The disillusionment comes with brutal working conditions, the horrible things they have to see and deal with day after day, and constant criticisms by sidewalk superintendents who have never done anything for anyone but themselves.

This is why there is a mass exodus from the LE industry. God help us when the ROBOCOP scenario comes to fruition and the humanity is stripped from our protectors.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

In the city where we lived before TV, a population of about 160,000, we had a gang problem for years. Everyone with a brain knew that but the mayor, city council and the police chief would vehemently deny there were gangs. In their pea brain minds they thought it would show weakness in their leadership if they admitted to the city having a gang problem. They finally had to admit to it, the crime level rose so much that it couldn't be denied any more. Politician and their hacks lie and obfuscate all the time for various reasons. Old saw, how do you know when a politician or bureaucrat is lying? When his lips are moving.

Agreed. You can not ignore a problem. It always comes back to bite you! Gangs are really everywhere. Need to stop the demand for drugs. Then the supply will dry up. Unfortunately, the gangs will still be here and will adapt to some other crime.

[GPGuar]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Very impressive plan. There will be naysayers on this forum. But, I say kudos to you! AT the minimum, you showed empathy and went the extra mile by proposing SOME kind of a plan. You, at least, are RECOGNIZING the problem, which is the 1st part of any solution. ANY plan would be better than NO plan! .......I liked Andrew Yang's proposal of giving everyone $1000 per month because it would be easy to implement. I would have added, "only for families making under $200,000 per year". But any version of his plan is a good start.

So your saying that giving $1000 a month to who ever wants it as long as they make less than 200,000 a year seems like a good idea to you? And for how long? Where are you gonna get all this money from? WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING?
When times got difficult money wise, I worked two 40hour jobs to get by. There’s no free lunch!

[Fredman]

Originally Posted by Astron

The right wing extremists are responsible for most of the political violence , according to the FBI Director’s statements to Congress. FBI director says antifa is an ideology, not an organization

I did not know that an ideology could dress in black, could destroy, could have weapons and could show up at every protest and even walk and talk

[Two Bills]

There never seems to be a dog unit around in these cicumstances.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy

The man's mother called the police, on her son, because he was having a mental breakdown episode. He had a knife in his hand. The mother was hoping they could restrain him. He was mentally ill. If he had been white I bet they wouldn't have shot and killed him. Again he had a knife, we wasn't much of a threat, he didn't come at them, he simply didn't obey them..... he was mentally ill.

Any person, black or white, having a mental breakdown holding a knife IS a threat. It is amazing how, a mentally dysfunctional person finds all sorts of adrenaline and can overtake anyone attempting to subdue them. It is a very scary situation and I will never believe this guy "wasn't much of a threat".

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Manhoopty

This is what happens in a Godless society. Sad.

Can’t have a Bible in school but as soon as you get to prison they offer you one.

We will reap what we sow. Even so, come quickly Lord Jesus!

Right and wrong is instilled by your family and those who care about you and nurture you, not from God.