[tvbound]

We will get the vaccine as soon as we're allowed, but will continue to wear masks and social distance until such time as the preponderance of legitimate scientists - indicate that the virus is actually under control.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by biker1

I assume you don't travel extensively. There are many parts of the world where certain vaccinations are highly recommended. You almost certainly had some vaccinations as a child.

In my neck of the woods, (Long Island, NY), we kids had to get vaccinated to attend school. I know for sure I had the polio vaccine. Other than that, I can't remember what other vaccines I had, if any.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Robbie0723

They vacinate half a population with the vaccine and the other half without. And then monitor who gets COVID and who does not. At his point, it appears that out of +35,000 participants, close to 100 have gotten COVID, only 9 of those who received the vaccine got COVID.

They do not expose participants to the virus.

They send the participants out into the community to live their lives as they normally would. But, but, but, what if the participants wore masks and socially distanced themselves from others? Would that skew the results of the trials? Or are the participants told not to wear masks and not to social distance?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by chet2020

There are trials called "challenge trials" where they give people the experimental vaccine, then give them the live virus. These trials are considered unethical by many. However, they are highly efficient and fast. There is a group in England that wants to run challenge trials and the last time I looked, they had 37,000 people that would volunteer for such trials.

My understanding is that the participants in this type of "challenge trial" is that they receive a low inoculation of the virus. Hopefully, the participants do not have bad outcomes if they do contract the virus, having either mild symptoms or are asymptomatic.

[dsnrbec]

Never.

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

They send the participants out into the community to live their lives as they normally would. But, but, but, what if the participants wore masks and socially distanced themselves from others? Would that skew the results of the trials? Or are the participants told not to wear masks and not to social distance?

We were not ask to change any behaviors. Normal population.

[wwdgd]

[QUOTE=Robbie0723;1858358]Participating in the trial - so far, so good.

Robbie, were you able to determine if you were given the vaccine or a placebo by side effects after injection?

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by Robbie0723

We were not ask to change any behaviors. Normal population.

Just want to say how much I appreciate you sharing. Can’t invalidate your experience. May you be safe and well.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

The CEO of Pfizer made a statement as such. Yes, I believe it.

This is what's so frustrating with people who insist that "mainstream media" is "fake news." They THINK they're talking about the entire media. What they are actually meaning (but in their ignorance - not understanding this at all) are the editorials and discussions and opinions and "news shows" ABOUT news.

What the news is - is the CEO of Pfizer announcing in front of the mainstream media, who is presenting the announcement live, whatever he announces about the vaccine. That really IS news. Whether it's on mainstream media or alt-right conspiracy crack-sites or on your mom's answering machine - it qualifies as legitimate news. What Joe Anchorman says might happen as a result of this announcement? That's opinion. It's "spin." And it's also factually correct. That result really and truly MIGHT happen. Will it happen? Who knows. That's in the future. No one can predict the future. But if it ends up happening, then Joe Anchorman's prediction will have been correct. Does that make Joe Anchorman's prediction news? Nope. But - you know what? It makes the fact that Joe Anchorman made a prediction that came true - news.

Perhaps a subtle difference to some. A pretty obvious difference to those who understand news vs. opinion, journalism vs. editorialism.

The fact that there was an election on November 3? That's news. It is an actual thing that really did happen.

What this station thinks about that election? Not news. Not "fake news" - it's just not news at all. It's an opinion. Opinions aren't news. They're opinions.

It's like the entirety of American civilization has forgotten the difference between information and opinion.

[VApeople]

Originally Posted by Timothyimitchell

I've been just fine without any vaccines. No way will I have that injected into my body.

Yeah, I feel the same way.

No vaccine for me until a lot of people have taken it and there are extremely few cases of bad side effects.

[Altavia]

[QUOTE=wwdgd;1859085]

Originally Posted by Robbie0723

Participating in the trial - so far, so good.

Robbie, were you able to determine if you were given the vaccine or a placebo by side effects after injection?

No side affects or antibodies so fairly confident I received the placebo. They indicated in the past, placebo group was offered the vaccine once released to help continue the studies.

[Art cov]

Originally Posted by PugMom

always being the odd-man-out, No, i would not

Been 38 years since I had a flu shot, so far hardly ever get sick. God is great!

[Art cov]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

This is what's so frustrating with people who insist that "mainstream media" is "fake news." They THINK they're talking about the entire media. What they are actually meaning (but in their ignorance - not understanding this at all) are the editorials and discussions and opinions and "news shows" ABOUT news.

What the news is - is the CEO of Pfizer announcing in front of the mainstream media, who is presenting the announcement live, whatever he announces about the vaccine. That really IS news. Whether it's on mainstream media or alt-right conspiracy crack-sites or on your mom's answering machine - it qualifies as legitimate news. What Joe Anchorman says might happen as a result of this announcement? That's opinion. It's "spin." And it's also factually correct. That result really and truly MIGHT happen. Will it happen? Who knows. That's in the future. No one can predict the future. But if it ends up happening, then Joe Anchorman's prediction will have been correct. Does that make Joe Anchorman's prediction news? Nope. But - you know what? It makes the fact that Joe Anchorman made a prediction that came true - news.

Perhaps a subtle difference to some. A pretty obvious difference to those who understand news vs. opinion, journalism vs. editorialism.

The fact that there was an election on November 3? That's news. It is an actual thing that really did happen.

What this station thinks about that election? Not news. Not "fake news" - it's just not news at all. It's an opinion. Opinions aren't news. They're opinions.

It's like the entirety of American civilization has forgotten the difference between information and opinion.

Most all news is agenda driven and the dumbing down of America. It’s amazing how little people really know. Some people will say”(I never heard that!)”. Because the news they watch never tells them anything but propaganda and their agenda. They really believe if their favorite news don’t tell it, then it didn’t happen. Could the majority be sheep to the slaughter?

[Bay Kid]

Originally Posted by Art cov

Most all news is agenda driven and the dumbing down of America. It’s amazing how little people really know. Some people will say”(I never heard that!)”. Because the news they watch never tells them anything but propaganda and their agenda. They really believe if their favorite news don’t tell it, then it didn’t happen. Could the majority be sheep to the slaughter?

Who can you believe? Strange that this vaccine shows up 1 week after???

Back in the day we trusted our teachers, news media and politicians. Not anymore.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Robbie0723

We were not ask to change any behaviors. Normal population.

Did you wear masks and social distance? To me, that is not normal behavior during normal times. It has become normal requested behavior during this global pandemic.