[Byte1]

Originally Posted by stanley View Post
I wasn' t going to take part in this "discussion" but since you brought up God, and Jesus.......

The most commonly cited verse on cross-gender behavior is Deuteronomy 22:5, “A woman must not wear men’s clothing, nor a man wear women’s clothing, for the Lord your God detests anyone who does this.

There is more.

Originally Posted by cindyfeh

You may want to research the relationship between Jesus and Old Testament Law. Old Testament Law helped to separate the Jewish people for Jesus coming. Jesus came to fulfill the law. The New Testament looks at the heart, and the focus is loving others as ourselves.

I'm not sure that your comparison is relevant. Sort of apples and oranges. The quoted scripture is related to what GOD mandates and what you are insinuating is that Jesus says is to love others. There is an old saying that "GOD hates the sin but loves the Sinner" or something like that.
Personally, I believe that this thread has strayed from the original point regarding transgenders competing "fairly" in sports. One can have private opinions about transgenders and gays but still have thoughts regarding physical advantages when competing in sports. Just because a poster does not condone transgenders in competition, whether in their birth gender or the opposite, does not mean those persons "HATE." I believe that to insinuate such is insulting and immediately puts a halt on the conversation.
To the poster(s) that feel that the term "freak" is insulting or disparaging, would a term like "abnormal" or "unusual" be considered less of a slur? Opinion and Fact is not always identical, is it?

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by DanBrew

No, Bill14574, it is very simple. When you are born, you are created with X and Y chromosomes, also known as the sex chromosomes, which determine the biological sex of an individual: females inherit an X chromosome from the father for a XX genotype, while males inherit a Y chromosome from the father for a XY genotype (mothers only pass on X chromosomes). Now, if you want to act as if that science doesn't exist, that is your free will to do that. However, this is not an emotional situation, it is a fact. Please don't impose emotions on others who don't deserve it.

Please review your science. While what you write is correct for the majority, there is a minority that is different. But that is not the issue in this thread.

Impose emotions? My posts were arguing *against* the hate and prejudice on display in this thread. Those spewing that hate deserve to be called on it.

[Larchap49]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Personally I do not believe the good lord above can make a mistake with someones gender.

If someone decides they are the opposite gender that is certainly their business and none of mine.

However given the differences between biologic males and females it is definitely wrong to allow a male who decides he is a female to compete in womens sports.

YES, that is the correct answer. Women becoming men could never compete successfully against male athletes but men becoming women will definitely have an advantage against women. To the point when this person walks on a golf course every biological women should walk off at every level. The golfing authorities would then fix the problem.

[stanley]

This statement I do not understand;

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I hold with no religion that justifies killing those who do not wish to belong or believe.

Where did anyone say or imply that any religion (or person for that matter) justifies killing those who do not join or believe?

[La lamy]

There is definitely a physiological advantage even after hormone therapy. Not fair. I'd be so irate if I was a female athlete dealing with these transgender issues.

[Byte1]

I suppose that in order to be "FAIR" regarding the "transgender" issue, we would have to change the rules for ALL sports and now allow all the athletes to use hormones/steroids legally. After all, if a transgender individual is allowed to use hormone therapy(?) and compete, wouldn't it be "fair" to allow ALL other athletes to use performing enhancement drugs? I suppose logic and common sense should be discarded in favor of being "fair" to a minority group in order NOT to offend them. Saying "no" should be banned when raising children, so as to NOT cause them mental anguish while growing up.

[BigHoss18]

Although all your statements are true, IMHO, you’re response misses the main point of this topic; fairness in sports.

No one will ever convince all people to be fair and kind to people that believe there are more than two genders. I’m this specific situation though, I agree that “sexually reassigned” people should not be allowed to compete with the new sex of players they now align with.

If transgenders want to compete, start their own league.

[Joe C.]

A male is a male and a female is a female.
The more we do to change this is something that I find DISGUSTING, SICK, and the more we cater to these people and applaud them and put them in the social and political spotlight, and give them government posts, the worse it gets.
IMHO, you are how you were born.

[bp243]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

I don't support discrimination, insults, and threats of physical harm.

I also dislike simplistic solutions posed for complex situations.

Thanks for your empathic response.

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Originally Posted by stanley

So you are basically saying nothing in the Bible should be believed because it was written by man?

Where did I say that? I did not. How do you spell red herring?

OK then, if you prefer, let's change the question to this:

The Old Testament words you quoted about cross dressing are truly the word of God and are to be obeyed. So does that mean we can ignore Jesus' admonition not to judge?

[bobdeb]

Seriously, you 'guys' (males) out there are worrying too much about this.

Eventually, women are going to take care of this themselves as the 'unfairness' and social acceptance diminishes. Girl power.

So, what do the ladies out there posting here feel about competing against transgenders in athletic events? Has your daughter or granddaughter lost out on a scholarship yet?

Would love to hear from the female's perspective.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus

Where did I say that? I did not. How do you spell red herring?

OK then, if you prefer, let's change the question to this:

The Old Testament words you quoted about cross dressing are truly the word of God and are to be obeyed. So does that mean we can ignore Jesus' admonition not to judge?

I believe your idea is taken out of context.

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I thanked you and I didn't mean to. One of the biggest problems about this whole argument about Sacred Scripture is the literal interpretation of written material that was translated several times as word usage changed over and over.

People who wrote the words lived in a time that was missing a lot of information and science. It appears to me to be something meant to guide and govern and inspire the people who lived at that time.

BUT THAT is a whole 'nuther argument.

I hold with no religion that justifies killing those who do not wish to belong or believe.

And I should not have written that. I know better than to start an argument about religion on here.

I haven't had my coffee.

I shouldn't push send without two cups.

Right on Gracie! I don't always agree with you (and that's okay), but you hit a home run here!

[Greg Teeters]

Give me a break. No wonder our country is falling apart. I am pretty sure that ALL babies I have ever seen were born with a gender. How can you people be serious about men competing against women in sports? We know what party has got all this bs started. I believe freak show is the correct term. I can guarantee you one thing- no father I know wants one of these freaks going to the bathroom with his daughter!!!

[cindyfeh]

Atypical would be better. Yes, the thread did digress, and some posts were hurtful. Compassion is called for when people are born transgender. We don’t allow name calling in our schools, and it is disappointing when adults do it and did spark a reaction. Getting back to the original topic, I do not believe transgendered females should compete with biological females. It is a complicated issue which will take time to figure out.