[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Whoa. Put your broad brush down. AND Who is misguided, myopic and has a totally warped sense of reality???

People are allowed to say what they think here in The Villages and in this country even if we STRONGLY disagree with it. Or strongly stand with it.

My take is that most people who live in The Villages are old enough and wise enough to accept people and like them or not like them for who they are and not be influenced by their sexual orientation.

Being gay is not a decision. It is something that people are born with, just like Autism and genius and cognitive deficits and artistic ability and eye hand coordination and athletic build and color blindness and being physically attractive or not physically attractive or tall or short, blue or brown eyed, bald or not. Some things make it easier to live in this world and some make it harder. People may have a "gut" reaction to you that takes effort to control. Some try and some do not.

Are you assuming that being transgender means you are automatically gay?

If so, you might want to check on that...

[DeanFL]

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...well, getting back on topic. When I first read this article, and others on this, my mind went to Bruce Jenner, now Caitlyn. What IF he 'made the change' many years ago in HIS prime and decided to compete in women's Track & Field events. What then. If 'she' was successful, perhaps many of those records would be broken by him/her. That's the conundrum.
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[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Are you assuming that being transgender means you are automatically gay?

If so, you might want to check on that...

No. I am aware that being transgender doesn't automatically or even commonly mean you are gay. I have read that It is more common for transgender people to be attracted to the opposite sex, from what they began as not what they identify with. Not easy to frame in words. Must not be easy to live either.

[Stu from NYC]

Personally I do not believe the good lord above can make a mistake with someones gender.

If someone decides they are the opposite gender that is certainly their business and none of mine.

However given the differences between biologic males and females it is definitely wrong to allow a male who decides he is a female to compete in womens sports.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Chi-Town

Nothing new.



Decades later, Renee Richards' breakthrough is as important as ever | TENNIS.com - Live Scores, News, Player Rankings

But, but, pro tennis has always been ?? (put in what ever you desire) , want even playing ground? Then all tournaments should be open. Recreational or pro. No men’s or woman’s sports/tours. No short tees either for genders. No 3 set verses 5 sets in tennis for same $$$. Want to be equal then compete equally? That way gender makes no difference. . Life is never fair and doubt it even will be?

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

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...well, getting back on topic. When I first read this article, and others on this, my mind went to Bruce Jenner, now Caitlyn. What IF he 'made the change' many years ago in HIS prime and decided to compete in women's Track & Field events. What then. If 'she' was successful, perhaps many of those records would be broken by him/her. That's the conundrum.
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If all sports was open wouldn’t be problem.

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus

"Freaks"? GE, aren't you a medical doctor?

Yes he is, so he fully understands the difference between the junk one is born with and what some freaks want to do to their God given bodies.

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus

My hat's off to you, Grumpy. Whatever happened to the political philosophy that's so prevalent in the Villages - to live and let live, and be free to be yourself without interference?

Not when your freakish actions creates an unfair playing field for non freak women who are trying to compete against other non freak biological women.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Chi-Town

Renee Richard's played in the U.S.Open over 40 years ago. There were the same comments then. How is the WTA (Women's Tennis Association) doing today? No comments about tennis not being golf please.

Renee Richards was a mediocre male tennis player before his transition surgery. Well past his prime...

Using Richard's as an example is a red herring.

A very good friend of mine has two sons who were both State Champions in High School. Played college tennis, but never were good enough to turn pro.

My friend has a vacation home in the same Country Club community as the Williams sisters.

The boys (now in their early 30s) practiced with them when came to visit. They've done so since they were in High School.

They would often beat both of them...

What's this all mean? That routinely (but not always), men are stronger and faster than women. It's a combination of biology and physics. You can change the biology, but not the physics...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

Not when your freakish actions creates an unfair playing field for non freak women who are trying to compete against other non freak biological women.

I'm sure you mean no disrespect when you use the word "freak/freakish"... [/sacrasm]

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

Not when your freakish actions creates an unfair playing field for non freak women who are trying to compete against other non freak biological women.

I get the controversy and I don't pretend to have an answer to it.

But this is about respect. You and at least two other posters here referred to trangendered people as "freaks." Are we really that perfect that we can judge other people? Several people here invoked the word "God." Didn't Jesus teach us not to judge?

I'm sure this thread is being read by transgenders, their family members, friends and loved ones. To call them "freaks" hurts ALL of those people and says volumes more about the one hurling the insult than it says about those to whom it's directed.

[stanley]

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus

Several people here invoked the word "God." Didn't Jesus teach us not to judge?

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I wasn' t going to take part in this "discussion" but since you brought up God, and Jesus.......

The most commonly cited verse on cross-gender behavior is Deuteronomy 22:5, “A woman must not wear men’s clothing, nor a man wear women’s clothing, for the Lord your God detests anyone who does this.

There is more.

[Taltarzac725]

Transgender people in sports - Wikipedia.

Would have to see a whole lot more science on this.

I have seen body building women who look a lot more like men....

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Originally Posted by stanley

I wasn' t going to take part in this "discussion" but since you brought up God, and Jesus.......

The most commonly cited verse on cross-gender behavior is Deuteronomy 22:5, “A woman must not wear men’s clothing, nor a man wear women’s clothing, for the Lord your God detests anyone who does this.

There is more.

If you believe those Old Testament words written by humans are actually the word of God, fine. Does that mean we can ignore Jesus' admonition not to judge?

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Transgender people in sports - Wikipedia.

Would have to see a whole lot more science on this.

I have seen body building women who look a lot more like men....

That’s why really don’t make difference, horse race good example. All about the training and commitment.