[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Patriceunger

The big deal about these vaccines is that they are not FDA approved and there’s no data about long term effects. That’s why some people are opting not to get them at this time which is their right.

Ummm.... they are indeed FDA approved. That is why we had to wait for the J&J one shot vaccine and that is why we don't have the AstraZeneca vaccine now.

[larbud]

Hell

[dlspiess]

Originally Posted by G.R.I.T.S.

I foresee vaccine passports for more than just covid. Yes, children are required to be vaccinated to enter school, but what about for HPV? Flu? Shingles? I'm sure there's more. Where is the line drawn? No, I'm not a supporter.

Not all states require children to be vaccinated for school anymore. Don’t get me wrong, I do believe in child vaccinations but it is the new trend. It is my opinion that this van will be like the flu shot, yearly. I don’t agree with a vaccine passport.

[Autodeals]

Scary times we are living in with so much division between people. We need to respect others choices in life & the governor is allowing people to continue to have the freedom to choose what medical intervention they wish to select for their well being.

[bonrich]

So, as I understand it, if now before the vaccine passport, two of us walk into a store, wearing masks, distancing, one vaccinated, the other not, shop, then leave, following guidelines, all is good. Or both vaccinated, wearing masks, social distancing, shop and leave unscathed. Or both wearing masks, socially distancing, shop, but neither one vaccinated, leave not spreading the virus. In all instances the two parties are following the guidelines set out by the powers to be, and what we have been doing for the past year, what has been gained? Businesses may still require masks to shop or dine, we have been doing the mask thing for so long now, it is easier to get into line, just like wearing seat belts and how hard it was to get used to them, now buckle up automatically.
Now, travel on airlines, that is another animal. What have the airlines been doing now? Has there been outbreaks of COVID with increased air travel that has been traced? It will be interesting to read about the aftermath of Spring Break! Looking for numbers.

[Pat2015]

They are not FDA approved as they are being offered only under an emergency authorization which is not the same thing.

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by Patriceunger

The big deal about these vaccines is that they are not FDA approved and there’s no data about long term effects. That’s why some people are opting not to get them at this time which is their right.

Urban legend. The vaccine has been around for over 10 years - it was developed for SARS and MERS. Which is what Covid is a derivative of. Plenty of testing.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Fairway Cruises

This is becoming a controversial subject and causing disagreement with friends, neighbors and the family. many are acting like sheep. Sad it has come to this. But the research and good strong information is there for all to find. Truth is never in the media, remember that, it's just not. It's either told with a bias or told (be it TV or the press etc) by many less educated to tell the truth than we are.
There is confusion everywhere you look, even the government (federal and local) tell different stories. You have to decide for yourself when you look at the evidence.
So let me throw in my 10 pennyworth...
The Oxford Astra Zenica Vaccine largely manufactured in the UK and some in Holland is actually and effectively 'gene therapy'. It involves protiens that attach to your gene's before falling away harmlessly. The effect of this is to 'boost' your immune system reaction to fight any virus. The result as has been said by the science, is that you won't get as sick as you otherwise could have and so prevent you from terrible illness, or even in some cases death. Important to note that it has been said the innoculation does not protect you from getting the virus (to do that you would need the vaccine to contain a bit of the virus, like an annual flu shot) It also does not stop you spreading the virus. The pharma companies obtained their own indemnity from adverse side effects, and prosecution as a condition of getting the drug out quickly. It has had little trial, and it is not known how the drug will react on people. Indeed, there are enough stories out there that relate to some serious side effects for the unlucky few. Death being one. The drug is not licenced, and governments are only allowing it's use under emergency covid legislation.
We are told it's a golden ticket out of this wild lockdown life. Many would argue that false, as herd immunity has worked as well in many countries where a vaccine was never used or lockdowns. Finally the virus as we now know by the data is for the most part effecting the over 80's, where most of the deaths and illnesses have come from. Some 98.6% (that number varies) of the population are not seriously effected in any way, and many simply are unaware they have had it. People vulnerable are the aged, overweight or with a precondition (many with preconditions they did not know they had).
So you decide - has this been a huge 'virtual' signal by panicked governements, helped along by agenda's and a desire to use as a means to change laws (remember the patriot act?) or is this just a genuine effort to save the population? History shows us many horrible viruses and plagues existed that populations recovered from without any vaccines, even as recently as SARS. Our immunity needs to be exposed to life's viruses or we would continue to get sick. It's how we build our immunities. Locking us down and hiding can only be dangerous for us, we just get sick when exposed again. Not to mention the issues it casues in mental health, hospitals postponing cancer treaments and many other health issues producing early deaths. It has certainly split and divided us more than ever, which can't be a good thing.
Well you make up your own mind but know the facts first.

Well you make up your own mind but know the facts first.

Yes, you should know the FACTS, but those posted are not them.

The Oxford Astra Zenica Vaccine largely manufactured in the UK and some in Holland is actually and effectively 'gene therapy'.

gene therapy
[jēn ˈTHerəpē]
NOUN
the transplantation of normal genes into cells in place of missing or defective ones in order to correct genetic disorders.

So, none of the VACCINES are "gene therapy"

Important to note that it has been said the innoculation does not protect you from getting the virus (to do that you would need the vaccine to contain a bit of the virus, like an annual flu shot) It also does not stop you spreading the virus.

Again, this MYTH keeps showing up day after day. The whole purpose of a vaccine is to prevent those who have been inoculated from catching and spreading the disease. This MYTH had its origins an a medical article that stated it is unknown whether or not a person who was vaccinated could temporarily acquire enough virus in their nasopharynx to immediately spread it after a cough or sneeze. Barring that unlikely scenario, a vaccinated individual can neither catch the disease or spread it, assuming they are in the 95% that acquired immunity

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by bonrich

So, as I understand it, if now before the vaccine passport, two of us walk into a store, wearing masks, distancing, one vaccinated, the other not, shop, then leave, following guidelines, all is good. Or both vaccinated, wearing masks, social distancing, shop and leave unscathed. Or both wearing masks, socially distancing, shop, but neither one vaccinated, leave not spreading the virus. In all instances the two parties are following the guidelines set out by the powers to be, and what we have been doing for the past year, what has been gained? Businesses may still require masks to shop or dine, we have been doing the mask thing for so long now, it is easier to get into line, just like wearing seat belts and how hard it was to get used to them, now buckle up automatically.
Now, travel on airlines, that is another animal. What have the airlines been doing now? Has there been outbreaks of COVID with increased air travel that has been traced? It will be interesting to read about the aftermath of Spring Break! Looking for numbers.

Not shopping - travel; air and sea at least. Already been announced that effective in June vaccine will be required to travel to Europe. Until now, with the vaccine in short supply, negative test is required.

Once we hit June, everyone will have had the opportunity to get the vaccine. No vaccine - no travel.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

Not shopping - travel; air and sea at least. Already been announced that effective in June vaccine will be required to travel to Europe. Until now, with the vaccine in short supply, negative test is required.

Once we hit June, everyone will have had the opportunity to get the vaccine. No vaccine - no travel.

All that proves is that the Europeans remain stupid, and it is highly likely, that as with most bad European ideas, we will follow suit.

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by Patriceunger

They are not FDA approved as they are being offered only under an emergency authorization which is not the same thing.

What is an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA)?
An Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) is a mechanism to facilitate the availability and use of medical countermeasures, including vaccines, during public health emergencies, such as the current COVID-19 pandemic. Under an EUA, FDA authorizes unapproved uses of approved medical products in an emergency to diagnose, treat, or prevent serious or life-threatening diseases or conditions when certain statutory criteria have been met, including that there are no adequate, approved, and available alternatives. Taking into consideration input from the FDA, manufacturers decide whether and when to submit an EUA request to FDA.

Once submitted, FDA will evaluate an EUA request and determine whether the relevant statutory criteria are met, taking into account the totality of the scientific evidence about the vaccine that is available to FDA.

Are the COVID-19 vaccines rigorously tested?
Yes. Clinical trials are evaluating investigational COVID-19 vaccines in tens of thousands of study participants to generate the scientific data and other information needed by FDA to determine safety and effectiveness. These clinical trials are being conducted according to the rigorous standards set forth by the FDA.

Source: FDA

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by Patriceunger

I don’t see where something that isn’t even FDA approved can be mandated by any court.

I've responded too many times already. But since you keep spouting the same nonsense, here it is again .. Please read the authorization.

What is an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA)?
An Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) is a mechanism to facilitate the availability and use of medical countermeasures, including vaccines, during public health emergencies, such as the current COVID-19 pandemic. Under an EUA, FDA may allow the use of unapproved medical products, or unapproved uses of approved medical products in an emergency to diagnose, treat, or prevent serious or life-threatening diseases or conditions when certain statutory criteria have been met, including that there are no adequate, approved, and available alternatives. Taking into consideration input from the FDA, manufacturers decide whether and when to submit an EUA request to FDA.

Once submitted, FDA will evaluate an EUA request and determine whether the relevant statutory criteria are met, taking into account the totality of the scientific evidence about the vaccine that is available to FDA.

Are the COVID-19 vaccines rigorously tested?
Yes. Clinical trials are evaluating investigational COVID-19 vaccines in tens of thousands of study participants to generate the scientific data and other information needed by FDA to determine safety and effectiveness. These clinical trials are being conducted according to the rigorous standards set forth by the FDA.

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

All that proves is that the Europeans remain stupid, and it is highly likely, that as with most bad European ideas, we will follow suit.

Most countries will require it - and it is possible that the US may make it impossible to get or renew a passport without getting vaccinated.

Could COVID-19 vaccines become mandatory in the U.S.? | Hub

... the federal government has some ways to get people to vaccinate, imposing it as a condition of getting a passport, for example.....

Will the COVID-19 vaccine be mandatory? What the law says

[Uncle Pepe]

It seems that the freedoms we have enjoyed for most of our lives has become a burden. I for one do not believe in life without freedom. The idea of "vaccine passports" is not so different than wearing a scarlet letter or a yellow star of David. We take our lives in our hands every day by whatever lifestyle we may enjoy. We drive our cars amongst others whose driving habits put us at risk. We eat food from restaurants that are not checked very often. We go on social media sites without knowing for sure if our identities are fully protected. These are our choices. This is just my opinion.

I don't believe in labeling people for any reason. I follow Christ and the constitution and treat all with love.

[mrf6969]

Originally Posted by John41

How do you deal with people that have not been vaccinated but have herd immunity or have recovered from COVID 19.. Just testing them once for COVID 19 would not be enough.

If you test them for COVID then you realize that you too must be tested as your not immune from getting COVID in fact you can still be a carrier.