[Tmarkwald]

As far as vaccine cards?

You can buy fake cards for $5 online. That proves nothing...

[MrWilson]

Businesses and govt forcing a citizen to ingest any chemical, drug or chip is wrong.
When do individuals get their “ inalienable right” to be free.
Govt telling us to drug up is bad , businesses are intolerable

[Astron]

Originally Posted by John41

Vaccine passport to go shopping is a whole different ballgame.

I am very surprised by the Governor extending the passport ban to private businesses. The traditional conservative mantra is to let the market decide. If Publix wants to require a vaccination to shop there, shouldn’t the conservative position be to let them. If people stop shopping there, they will remove the requirement, if people feel safer there, their business will increase. Let the market decide.

[allenpegg1@gmail.com]

Forced vaccine passports? This leads the way for IMPLANTING CHIPS!!!

[FromNY]

I think it is important that our paid elected people have the ability to not be sheep to their party. That if something conservative does not feel right they are able to Think and change the policies. It is suppose to be for the Well being of ALL the people .Not for can I get reelected... This pandemic has brought firth more than a lifetimes share of pain and frustrations. No matter what political stand how about giving a damn about the people and our lives. Currently the governor wants to groom to be president or at least get reelected as governor. Personally I do not care. I want to see our state get more easily accessible vaccines. Masks and hand washing to continue until hospital care can recuperate from the past year. This pandemic is not over and as long as 50 different political motivated governors do their own thing for their own benefit we all lose.
Would be nice if even for a few months everyone could sacrifice their egos and be on the same page.

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Originally Posted by jmintzer5

Um, I do believe you have this completely backwards...

The GOP is against the Vaccine Passport. In fact, DeSantis is passing a law specifically denying it's use in Florida...

Um, read my original post again, jmintzer. The GOP supports the ban on vaccine passports, thereby tolerating the government's interference in the freedom of offices, restaurants and businesses to decide whom they want to serve. This is contrary to conservative principles.

Sorry you misunderstood.

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by allenpegg1@gmail.com

Forced vaccine passports? This leads the way for IMPLANTING CHIPS!!!

I think you are reading too much in this. Majority of it is purely political to elicit responses just like yours. No brick and mortar business is going to require people to carry a vaccine passport around with this, It is simply a non starter.

However, it is entirely likely that air travel, cruise travel, and most international travel will require the passport.

I'm sure 100 years ago when people were forced to get driver's licenses they had the same reactions!

[Heyitsrick]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

Nobody is controlling where you go!

Where did you get that idea?

Of course, you may not be able to get a passport or travel internationally or even on an aircraft. You DO have all your freedoms, and other countries have to decide whether to let you in or not. You don't a RIGHT of entry go to a foreign country

I've read your prolific posts here on this subject, and you seem to have this notion that the value of a traveler to a destination is all one-sided. In other words, if the destination country lays down some rules and the traveler can't/won't meet them, the only one who loses is the would-be traveler. Really?

So, the business $$ a traveler would spend at the destination mean nothing? The social media (or other) presumably positive comments a traveler would make after an enjoyable trip promoting the destination to friends/relatives/internet mean nothing?

Countries can make whatever rules they want about tourists and protecting their citizens, as is their right. But a complete discussion would acknowledge what they - and the businesses in their respective countries that depend on this tourism - stand to lose, as well.

Don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying one shouldn't get vaccinated (I have). This discussion is about digital vaccination passports.

It's the data, and who has access to it, in my book. We've become so cavalier about sharing personal data. There's very little trust in how government utilizes such.

Here's a snippet from an article about the "New York Excelsior Pass" digital passport:

Originally Posted by timeout.com article

According to one expert that Gothamist/WNYC interviewed, the app's privacy policy doesn't state how the data is tracked or kept safe.

But one expert contends that the platform's privacy policy fails to outline how secure the app really is.

Essentially, there are no guarantees in the terms of service that say whether the information won't be accessed by police departments or the Immigration or Customs Enforcement agency, said Albert Fox Cahn, an attorney and the founder of Surveillance Technology Oversight Project, an advocacy group ensuring privacy rights are upheld.

"I have more detailed technical documentation about the privacy impact of nearly every app on my phone than I do for this health pass," he told them. "IBM and the governor are using lots of buzzwords, but they're not explaining their cryptographic model. They're not explaining the security, implementation. And on top of it, the pass itself is incredibly revealing, disclosing not only people's health status, and name but their date of birth."

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Those particular healthcare "experts" need to have their licenses revoked (if they even have a license).

The "garden-variety" flu is estimated to cause 35,000 US deaths per year. Covid is known to have caused nearly 500,000 deaths last year over and above the normal number of deaths expected in a single year. Whatever Covid is, it is NOT a garden-variety flu.

Just astonishing that people are STILL having to say this a year later.

[Rooklift]

Show your evidence that conservatives are for a vaccine id card. I disagree with your claim.

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus

I'd like to respectfully throw something out there for discussion and perhaps we can learn a bit from each other.

Our governor has said he will prohibit vaccine passports which would require us to prove we've been vaccinated in order to gain access to some businesses, offices, or restaurants.

I find it interesting because it speaks to how we all want the best for our country; we just approach it in different ways. Conservatives are not fond of government interference in general, but they support this proposal. Liberals are generally okay with government regulation but do indeed want a vaccine passport which DeSantis is opposing.

Just goes to show modern American life is not all cut and dried. We all have to give a little.

If you want to respond but feel the need to be belligerent or snarky, please move on to the next thread. Thanks.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis Says He'll Ban Vaccine Passports

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Originally Posted by Andyw

Today vaccination passport Tomorrow passport to leave your home. Too much government control.

See what I mean? (Yet?!?)

The government, via DeSantis, is trying to control businesses' freedom to choose whom they serve.

[Heyitsrick]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

I think you are reading too much in this. Majority of it is purely political to elicit responses just like yours. No brick and mortar business is going to require people to carry a vaccine passport around with this, It is simply a non starter.

However, it is entirely likely that air travel, cruise travel, and most international travel will require the passport.

I'm sure 100 years ago when people were forced to get driver's licenses they had the same reactions!

How would you know whether retail establishments wouldn't require these? Do they not already require masking? Why would you think this only a "travel" thing?

This is what NY's Excelsior Pass is meant to do:

The Excelsior Pass app, which launched Friday, shares vaccination and negative test results with art and entertainment venues and businesses (including major stadiums and arenas, wedding receptions and catered events above the social gathering limit) by using a QR code that these places scan.

(emphasis mine)

[RodSheets]

My medical status is protected by law. I’m one who wants to keep that protection.

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by Heyitsrick

I've read your prolific posts here on this subject, and you seem to have this notion that the value of a traveler to a destination is all one-sided. In other words, if the destination country lays down some rules and the traveler can't/won't meet them, the only one who loses is the would-be traveler. Really?

So, the business $$ a traveler would spend at the destination mean nothing? The social media (or other) presumably positive comments a traveler would make after an enjoyable trip promoting the destination to friends/relatives/internet mean nothing?

Countries can make whatever rules they want about tourists and protecting their citizens, as is their right. But a complete discussion would acknowledge what they - and the businesses in their respective countries that depend on this tourism - stand to lose, as well.

Don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying one shouldn't get vaccinated (I have). This discussion is about digital vaccination passports.

It's the data, and who has access to it, in my book. We've become so cavalier about sharing personal data. There's very little trust in how government utilizes such.

Here's a snippet from an article about the "New York Excelsior Pass" digital passport:

Great comments - I'm more about the leisure traveler. Business travel is a different animal entirely. A long discourse on that is pointless, I suppose since international business will continue regardless of any restrictions on travel. Any business that can be conducted remotely will probably continue after a year of doing so.

However, the leisure traveler will certainly not be spending the $$ in the destination since they won't be there. But I doubt that the impact to the economy will be greater than if unvaccinated travelers show up and then a population center gets a Covid-19 breakout.

So, my assumption is that, at least for the foreseeable future, restricting travel only to those who can unequivocally prove they are inoculated is the safest way to keep any outbreaks from occurring. Everyone is running scared right now...

[drstevens]

Some people can't get these experimental vaccines because of health issues, allergies, chemotherapy drugs, etc. IMHO This would create another documentation issue and more regulation.