[Chi-Town]

If there is a Disney vaccine passport that allows you to walk around outside without a mask I'm all in. Can't imagine wearing a mask in 90 degree weather.

[Happinow]

Naomi Wolf - Why vaccine passports equal slavery forever.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Swoop

You need to stop posting this. It is absolutely untrue. There has never been a vaccine for either SARS or MERS. There were attempts to create a vaccine for them, but they were unsuccessful. It is true that both SARS and MERS were Coronaviruses, but it is also true that without a vaccine SARS lasted less than 2 years and the MERS outbreak lasted less than 3 years...

It looks to me that mRNA vaccines have been in development at least since 1990. This is an excerpt from the linked article below. What do you think?........

The first report of the successful use of in vitro transcribed (IVT) mRNA in animals was published in 1990, when reporter gene mRNAs were injected into mice and protein production was detected5.

mRNA vaccines — a new era in vaccinology | Nature Reviews Drug Discovery

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by lpkruege1

I can't believe that we would put something so racist into existence. Your poorer communities may not have the funds for the vaccine

Bull - the vaccine is totally free. No excuses.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by jbrown132

In this case I totally support what the Governor says. Every time the government does something like this we give up some of our freedoms. It allows the government to track out movements and infringes on doctor patient confidentiality. What’s next, a flu passport, a polio passport, a measles passport for kids to go to school etc. Enough is enough.

I do not agree with you or our governor. Public Health is at the helm of these vaccine passports for a disease that has caused a 100 year global pandemic. Enough is enough with this talk about showing proof of vaccination is infringement on our freedoms. Hogwash!

All my opinion, of course.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by jamorela

For those of you who feel no one should be allowed to travel without the vaccine... I got the first shot. Had an allergic reaction (immediate rash on face and arms.). I have had an anaphylactic response to a drug in the past. Three doctors and a nurse recommended that I do not get the second shot because “it is not worth the risk!” So, I didn’t. So, should I not be allowed to do something I love? PS: My cheeks and chin have a permanent rosy color to them since that shot on January 4. It’s like they have been permanently burned.

Just wondering if Epinephrine was administered to you. Sorry you are suffering with this adverse reaction.

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by Tbrazie

Flu about 60,000 a year since 2010. Not saying that Covid is not a huge pandemic, but keep to the facts as reported by CDC. Also keep in mind that every Covid death is reported. The Flu data is estimated. Still, don't downplay the flu. Just saying.

CDC says about half that - but you're right, it's an estimate and I believe that some flu is being reported as Covid as well..

Past Seasons Estimated Influenza Disease Burden | CDC

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

So, they are required to ask you if you've had an anaphylactic response in the past.. If you have, then you get the J&J vaccine. Only the Moderna and Pfizer give that response.

So, you didn't mention that to them when they asked? It is right on the paper they gave you with your card as well..

Very true.....I was asked if I have allergies to any medication or vaccines before I was given the Moderna vaccine.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by SusanKD

I’m against having to carry a proof vaccination. Next thing you know their will be other restrictions on where we allow to go or do base on government decision not our own.

I have an inkling that you are also against vaccination for Covid-19. Am I right?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by DeeCee Dubya

I am much more afraid of the eagerness of citizens all over the world to blindly and unquestionably bow to government bureaucrats than I am of any virus.

Also consider this; if you know anything about biology you’ll know that viruses constantly mutate and adapt to threats ie. Vaccines. And COVID-19 will be no different. So you better get ready for re-vaccinations about every flu season from now on.

This is nothing more than a garden-variety flu virus which many healthcare experts confirm. It has been used as a proxy for government to control every aspect of human life and justify their own parasitic existence. People wake up please.

I don't buy in to conspiracy theories. Which quack health care experts are you referring to? Is Scott Altas one of those "experts"?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Mike193534

I don’t understand this. If I have covid and wear a mask, you don’t have covid and don’t wear a mask is my mask protecting you? If this is true does this mean if I have covid and don’t wear a mask and you don’t have covid and wear a mask the mask is NOT protecting you? How is the mask only keeping covid inside mask but it allows covid to enter a mask? Are these masks one-way?

Yes. Your mask is protecting others from your Covid germs. Your mask acts as source control. Just wondering...........where have you been this past year??????????

[jamorela]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Just wondering if Epinephrine was administered to you. Sorry you are suffering with this adverse reaction.

It was not. They wanted to give me a shot of something but I would have to be transported to the hospital. I declined.

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Somehow you are trying to represent the governor’s position against a vaccine passport as more government interference as opposed to less. That is the spin I am referring to. I did not comment on the pros or cons of a vaccine passport, just on your assertion that the governor’s stance is somehow more government regulation...

OK, thanks for the clarification. The way I see it, and it's just my opinion, the act of DeSantis enacting any kind of law encroaching on anyone's or any business' freedom for any reason is an act of government interference.

But it's sometimes necessary to do so. Take your pick - does regulation such as we're discussing infringe on a person or on a business? Doesn't matter. Government intervention is government intervention and it's one of the things that unites conservatives and liberals even though conservatives love to hate such intervention.

To your point, it's hard to assess if DeSantis' position is "more" or "less" intervention than something else, but it's an interesting question to ponder. The point is it's intervention. Period. And as someone else said here, the conservative guiding principle should be keep DeSantis out of it and let the free market decide.

Your mileage, of course, may vary. (I wonder if the young'uns even know what that means.)

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by jmintzer5

Biden is now calling on Governors to re-instate or start a "mask mandate"...

So yeah, he want's us to HAVE to wear masks... For how long? No one knows...

If our previous administration had this stance on masks, America would not have had nearly the amount of deaths with Covid that we have had. This is what Deborah Birx stated in an interview I watched on CNN. Covid experts were interviewed. Very enlightening BTW. Dr. Birx said many deaths beyond the first surge of 100,000 deaths could have been mitigated. She seemed fractured as she divulged that information.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jamorela

It was not. They wanted to give me a shot of something but I would have to be transported to the hospital. I declined.

Most likely diphenhydramine and methylprednisolone