[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

I don't know how the government can tell private businesses that they can't require proof in order to enter their premises. The same goes for masks. A business has the right to either require or request that you wear a mask or allow people without masks to enter. The public has a right to choose whether or not they want to do business with those businesses under the terms that they set.

Yeah, that is true. A business can choose to allow or not allow someone in their establishment or business. That choice is not protected by Federal Law.

[crash]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

And just how would it show that???? How are you going to prove it???? The antibody test is not valid for the purpose of determining immunity, at least not yet.

What is not determined is how long the immunity lasts. Just like the vaccine, having COVID develops antibodies that prevent disease. This is how covalence plasma treatment works. Your immunity will last the same amount of time whether from disease or vaccine.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by maggie1

I don't know if a person is immune from catching the virus again after they've already had it, but I agree with the rest of what you've said. Personally, I think it's ridiculous to continue wearing a mask after we've been vaccinated. The purpose of the mask was to prevent the spread of, and from receiving the virus, so if I'm protected how is it my fault to worry about someone else who refuses to get the vaccine? It;s up to them to continue wearing a mask, not me.

Masks primarily protect those around the wearer. Since many people have not been able to get the vaccine as of this time, I'll continue to wear a mask indoors in public places out of respect for my fellow humans.

I've had both doses but from what I understand, I can still contract the virus and pass it on to others. Once everyone in the state of Florida that wants to be vaccinated has been, I will stop wearing a mask. At that point, as you say, people have made a choice it is not my responsibility to protect them.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by Eg_cruz

I am happy that our governor is not jumping on the crazy vaccine passport.

Of he did, he is protecting Florida $$$$, as he should.
It won't matter what he wants.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

Spanish flu was the last time there was a pandemic and the governments responded similarly, except there never was a vaccine, and millions perished.

From the Baltimore Sun:

"“It was called the Spanish flu. But that was only because Spain, which was not at war, allowed the press to report on it openly. Unlike here. ... The nation wasn’t told.

“A year earlier, President Woodrow Wilson had rammed through Congress the Sedition Act, making it a crime to say or publish anything negative that would affect the war effort.”

According to Barry, “Wilson created what was called the Committee for Public Information. The architect of that committee said, 'Truth and falsehood are arbitrary terms. The force of an idea lies in its inspirational value. It matters very little if it is true or false.'"

"In the United States, you had national public health leaders saying such things as ‘This is ordinary influenza by another name.’ At the local level the same kind of thing was occurring. With deadly consequences. ... No more so than in Philadelphia, which went ahead with a huge war bond parade in the fall of 1918 when the virus was at its most virulent. Newspapers killed stories quoting the medical community saying don’t do it.

"So, 48 hours later, influenza exploded around the city," Barry said. "The result is, it's one of the hardest-hit cities in the world, and the mass graves being dug by steam shovels and so forth." The death toll in Philadelphia was about 14,500.

The 1918 flu epidemic and the end of World War 1 marked the beginning of a complicated social, political and economic matrix of events that continue to have an impact to this day."

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by Eg_cruz

Here’s the big question people have been getting very sick from this shots......has anyone ask Why, it’s not because it has the virus in it so why are some sick for 6-7 days, Why are people getting fevers and nerve pain. Unlike the flu shot where it has the viruses in it the Covid-19 does not so then why (other then egg allergy ) people getting sick? Does that not brother anyone?
I am happy that our governor is not jumping on the crazy vaccine passport.

There is no egg in the vaccine, and less than 1 in 10,000 has gotten seriously ill, and there have been no deaths .

Not Sure About the COVID-19 Vaccine? Get the Facts, Then Decide

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by crash

What is not determined is how long the immunity lasts. Just like the vaccine, having COVID develops antibodies that prevent disease. This is how covalence plasma treatment works. Your immunity will last the same amount of time whether from disease or vaccine.

Are you asking me or telling me?????

Not to question your "expertise", but that would be "convalescent plasma"

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by maggie1

I don't know if a person is immune from catching the virus again after they've already had it, but I agree with the rest of what you've said. Personally, I think it's ridiculous to continue wearing a mask after we've been vaccinated. The purpose of the mask was to prevent the spread of, and from receiving the virus, so if I'm protected how is it my fault to worry about someone else who refuses to get the vaccine? It;s up to them to continue wearing a mask, not me.

I agree -

[Pat2015]

The big deal about these vaccines is that they are not FDA approved and there’s no data about long term effects. That’s why some people are opting not to get them at this time which is their right.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Patriceunger

The big deal about these vaccines is that they are not FDA approved and there’s no data about long term effects. That’s why some people are opting not to get them at this time which is their right.

Unfortunately, the "pro vaccine passport" crowd want to limit your other rights if you exercise that one.

[Pat2015]

I don’t see where something that isn’t even FDA approved can be mandated by any court.

[MandoMan]

Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus

I'd like to respectfully throw something out there for discussion and perhaps we can learn a bit from each other.

Our governor has said he will prohibit vaccine passports which would require us to prove we've been vaccinated in order to gain access to some businesses, offices, or restaurants.

I find it interesting because it speaks to how we all want the best for our country; we just approach it in different ways. Conservatives are not fond of government interference in general, but they support this proposal. Liberals are generally okay with government regulation but do indeed want a vaccine passport which DeSantis is opposing.

Just goes to show modern American life is not all cut and dried. We all have to give a little.

If you want to respond but feel the need to be belligerent or snarky, please move on to the next thread. Thanks.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis Says He'll Ban Vaccine Passports

It’s interesting that to a substantial extent, the people who want people to be able to get vaccine passports don’t want voters to have to show ID before voting, while many people who oppose vaccine passports because of “personal freedom” want to require official ID for voters.

I favor both! I also favor mandatory vaccination, with those who refuse the vaccine required to pay for all their own medical bills if they get COVID-19 and have to be hospitalized.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Patriceunger

I don’t see where something that isn’t even FDA approved can be mandated by any court.

It has emergency approval, eventually the FDA will have to consider full, unconditional approval. This is not unusual.

[Pat2015]

But meanwhile everyone taking the vaccine is a guinea pig in the study that everyone is participating in where it is thought that you maybe you can still get Covid (no research on that), and the long term effects are unknown. I don’t fault those who are opting out of getting the vaccine as that’s their right, and some people can not take the vaccines being offered for various reasons so what’s to be done about them?

[Fairway Cruises]

This is becoming a controversial subject and causing disagreement with friends, neighbors and the family. many are acting like sheep. Sad it has come to this. But the research and good strong information is there for all to find. Truth is never in the media, remember that, it's just not. It's either told with a bias or told (be it TV or the press etc) by many less educated to tell the truth than we are.
There is confusion everywhere you look, even the government (federal and local) tell different stories. You have to decide for yourself when you look at the evidence.
So let me throw in my 10 pennyworth...
The Oxford Astra Zenica Vaccine largely manufactured in the UK and some in Holland is actually and effectively 'gene therapy'. It involves protiens that attach to your gene's before falling away harmlessly. The effect of this is to 'boost' your immune system reaction to fight any virus. The result as has been said by the science, is that you won't get as sick as you otherwise could have and so prevent you from terrible illness, or even in some cases death. Important to note that it has been said the innoculation does not protect you from getting the virus (to do that you would need the vaccine to contain a bit of the virus, like an annual flu shot) It also does not stop you spreading the virus. The pharma companies obtained their own indemnity from adverse side effects, and prosecution as a condition of getting the drug out quickly. It has had little trial, and it is not known how the drug will react on people. Indeed, there are enough stories out there that relate to some serious side effects for the unlucky few. Death being one. The drug is not licenced, and governments are only allowing it's use under emergency covid legislation.
We are told it's a golden ticket out of this wild lockdown life. Many would argue that false, as herd immunity has worked as well in many countries where a vaccine was never used or lockdowns. Finally the virus as we now know by the data is for the most part effecting the over 80's, where most of the deaths and illnesses have come from. Some 98.6% (that number varies) of the population are not seriously effected in any way, and many simply are unaware they have had it. People vulnerable are the aged, overweight or with a precondition (many with preconditions they did not know they had).
So you decide - has this been a huge 'virtual' signal by panicked governements, helped along by agenda's and a desire to use as a means to change laws (remember the patriot act?) or is this just a genuine effort to save the population? History shows us many horrible viruses and plagues existed that populations recovered from without any vaccines, even as recently as SARS. Our immunity needs to be exposed to life's viruses or we would continue to get sick. It's how we build our immunities. Locking us down and hiding can only be dangerous for us, we just get sick when exposed again. Not to mention the issues it casues in mental health, hospitals postponing cancer treaments and many other health issues producing early deaths. It has certainly split and divided us more than ever, which can't be a good thing.
Well you make up your own mind but know the facts first.