[Topspinmo]

Actually I have less faith in federal government as years go by, corruption, career politicians, and billionaires interest to sway government. Hopefully I will be dead before it turns into just another 3rd world country.

[Going My Way]

No Voter ID could result in:
Send "Early Ballot" in the mail; then on election day vote again in person if no ID is required....

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Going My Way

On 11/3/2020 I went to Paradise Rec Center in order to cast my vote, the lady did ask for my Driver’s License before I was able to get my voting sheets...

He's talking about mail-in voting, which requires you to not even be physically capable of presenting your ID to anyone. But it does require that your signature be on file (usually via your Florida drivers' license, which is now also a valid Federal ID, or in person registration to vote), so that the signatures can be matched when you sign the back of the envelope before mailing it in.

Considering that mail-in voting, *regardless of the reason for the mail-in, whether absentee or not* has existed since the Civil War, and considering that mail fraud has been negligible since, and considering that even when it IS discovered, it invalidates the fraudulent votes - thus making the actual votes valid and countable..

considering all that, mail-in ballots is not, nor has it ever been, a concern in this country.

In person voting HAS been a problem, particularly in Georgia and Florida, when a certain party did some certain things creating certain problems, and the subsequent attempts at covering it up were exposed.

So if it were me, I'd be more concerned about a certain party's attempts to subvert and corrupt the voting process at the polling places, and less concerned about mail-in voting.

I'm not all that concerned about either. The person I didn't want, took the Florida election fair and square. I don't like it, but I accept it. Hopefully, the people on that side will have the same attitude if their person doesn't win the final national result. Somehow though, considering THEIR history - I don't have much faith in that.

[Arctic Fox]

Originally Posted by macawlaw

why is there only alleged fraud in the states with close races? I find this suspicious.

Voter fraud can only make the smallest of differences, so it has to be a close race to make it worth investigating.

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by Going My Way

On 11/3/2020 I went to Paradise Rec Center in order to cast my vote, the lady did ask for my Driver’s License before I was able to get my voting sheets...

Asking and requiring are two different things. Florida law does not require a driver's license or other ID to vote.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

Asking and requiring are two different things. Florida law does not require a driver's license or other ID to vote.

Then why do they ask to see your drivers license when entering the voting establishment and verify the address?

[jnafix]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

People should have to submit proof of identity in order to vote.

And all Americans citizens do... When have YOU or anyone that YOU know have ever voted without proper ID ?

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by billethkid

Then why do they ask to see your drivers license when entering the voting establishment and verify the address?

If you don't have an ID, they can require you to vote with a provisional ballot. Then, they are supposed to verify your signature later and accept your vote. But, they cannot require you to present an ID to vote.

[jnafix]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

Asking and requiring are two different things. Florida law does not require a driver's license or other ID to vote.

No, you are wrong. So you think that in the USA you can just walk into a polling station and give them some random name and then you can vote for the Prez of the USA.

[jnafix]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

People in Chicago are known to have voted for many years after they died, some of them even switched parties

Ya, I also overheard that from a guy talk'n to some other guy at the end of the bar. I think they were from NYC.

[Byte1]

For those demanding PROOF of voter fraud, I find it interesting that they are the same ones that do not need "proof" of foreign influence. They just take it as fact. The point is that you can't detect voter fraud without an investigation. Many states will not allow investigators inside to investigate voter fraud.
The absolute FACT is that the Constitution stipulates, mandates that ONLY American citizens may vote in national elections, period. Are we supposed to take the honor system and consider that everyone is telling the truth and do not have to prove identity? Do not have to prove citizenship? If one does not have proof of their identity then they are too stupid to vote. In one state North of us, does not even require anything more than a verbal statement of name and address. They do not even require a piece of paper as proof of residence, just your verbal statement.
If you do not believe that proof should be required, then I am sure you are upset at having to provide proof to purchase alcohol, airline tickets, prescription drugs, cash a check, and even use your credit card if you do not sign the back.
The idea that some minorities would be disenfranchised if proof is required is a slur on minorities.

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by jnafix

No, you are wrong. So you think that in the USA you can just walk into a polling station and give them some random name and then you can vote for the Prez of the USA.

I am not wrong. Florida law does not require an ID to vote for president. If you show up with no ID, they can require you to use a provisional ballot to vote. Then, they are supposed to verify your signature with the voter registration signature on file. But, if they refuse to let you vote, they are violating Florida law.

[swooner]

Originally Posted by jacksonbrown

Hey you'll, this discussion doesn't have to be "political", so let's not make this about one party or another. Do not mention the "D" word or "R" word, nor the "B" word or the "T" word.

Because, doing so will get this thread deleted.

This is about our political process, defined by the Constitution of the United States with a preamble

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Please read this twice (or more). Pay particular attention to the concepts enumerated within the parentheses.

With that in mind, let's discuss voter fraud.

You first.

Someday we will be smart enough to get rid of the Electoral College. After doing so, voter fraud, if there is any would not be an issue when one candidate registers 4,000,000 votes more than the other. Electoral College does not reflect the will of the people.

[jnafix]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

I am not wrong. Florida law does not require an ID to vote for president. If you show up with no ID, they can require you to use a provisional ballot to vote. Then, they are supposed to verify your signature with the voter registration signature on file. But, if they refuse to let you vote, they are violating Florida law.

And there you have it (verify your signature with the voter registration signature on file).

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by swooner

Someday we will be smart enough to get rid of the Electoral College. After doing so, voter fraud, if there is any would not be an issue when one candidate registers 4,000,000 votes more than the other. Electoral College does not reflect the will of the people.

So, you believe that one or two CITIES in America should be able to decide the fate of ALL the rest of your fellow Americans? How quaint. Some folks are much smarter than the founding fathers, right? I guess the rest of us won't even need to vote or actually even have a say in how the country is run, if we do away with the EC votes. Hey, we won't even need congress anymore either, since the rest of the country won't matter.

Some folks need to take a refresher CIVICS course. WE live in a Republic, a Constitutional Republic, NOT a Democracy. America is not yet a Socialist country.