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There was a study and they found that it is true, there is voter fraud committed in the US. In April 2020, a 20-year voter fraud study by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology found the level of fraud "exceedingly rare" since it occurs only in "0.00006 percent" of instances nationally, and, in one state, "0.000004 percent — about five times less likely than getting hit by lightning in the United States."

0.00006% is NOTHING, make no impact one way or another. Now, let’s move on. Enjoy the rest of your day.

[jbrown132]

Originally Posted by jacksonbrown

Hey you'll, this discussion doesn't have to be "political", so let's not make this about one party or another. Do not mention the "D" word or "R" word, nor the "B" word or the "T" word.

Because, doing so will get this thread deleted.

This is about our political process, defined by the Constitution of the United States with a preamble

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Please read this twice (or more). Pay particular attention to the concepts enumerated within the parentheses.

With that in mind, let's discuss voter fraud.

You first.

Regardless of who wins the only looser the other night were the American people.

[44Apple]

Originally Posted by Northwoods

Love it!!!

My question is... why is it certain large urban cities that seem to take so long to count votes? Other large cities seem to be able to get it done.
I guess they need to see how many additional mail-in ballots they need to swing the election to a certain candidate.

Because some state GOP legislatures decided that counting would not start until Election Day, and not before.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Why couldn't the mail in and early ballots be counted as they are received and the results kept under wraps until the results are known?

Why are they being received first and counted last?

IMHO, in this age of technology, this whole process is an embarrassment to our country.

First of all, why do we need early voting and mail in voting? For centuries people have gone the polls on election day ad voted. That seems to have worked pretty well for over 200 years.

Secondly, why do we need mail in ballots. I realize that we've always had them, but in the past they were very limited.

My suggestions. Since some people have claimed that they can't get to the pools on election day because they work, hold the election on a weekend. Since the polls may be crowded and people have to wait in line, do it over two or three days, Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Mandate that employers give employees and extra hour break on election days.

Secondly allow mail in ballots only for people who can demonstrate a legitimate need. Those in the military or who otherwise will be out of the country or people who are confined at home or in a hospital should be the only ones that are allowed to vote by mail. There might be other conditions, and those would have to be defined to see who qualifies. But sending out hundreds of millions of ballots and expecting them all to be returned on time and properly filled out is unrealistic. I voted in person and received instructions on what to do if I made a mistake. How does that work with a mail in ballot?

The third thing would be to end all of this counting by hand. When I taught at a college, we had the answer sheets where the students would fill in the oval. I would insert the completed answer sheets into a machine and I would get printout of the grades of a class of thirty within minutes. When I voted, I filled out the ovals and inserted my ballot into a machine. I assume that that machine read the ballot and kept a tally of the results. I realize that every state has the freedom to decide how people will vote, but there must be a way to get this done so that all states are using the same system and don't have volunteers sitting at tables manually counting votes.

Just my ideas. They will never be adopted. I probably just had to vent after watching this absurd system every four years.

[coconutmama]

Originally Posted by Coal Miner

Our great nations system of Democracy is filled with checks that make voter fraud almost impossible. Allegations of voter fraud usually comes from poor losers. Dont believe otherwise.

Amen.

Additionally I often wonder where does free speech end and slander take it’s place?

[Larchap49]

Originally Posted by jacksonbrown

Hey you'll, this discussion doesn't have to be "political", so let's not make this about one party or another. Do not mention the "D" word or "R" word, nor the "B" word or the "T" word.

Because, doing so will get this thread deleted.

This is about our political process, defined by the Constitution of the United States with a preamble

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Please read this twice (or more). Pay particular attention to the concepts enumerated within the parentheses.

With that in mind, let's discuss voter fraud.

You first.

I think it is past time for the end of the paper ballot. Paper ballots being controlled by a bunch of untrained volunteers who many times probably have an agenda is a recipe for fraud and corruption. I also feel that a Presidential election should be separate from all other state or local issues. The rules for voting should be standardized accross the country and voting should be by electronic methods that limit the chance of fraud to a minimum. Until that happens I and many others will not have any faith in the process.

[FromNY]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

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...even tho I was a strong supporter of one candidate, I simply cannot believe that some states can inhibit independent Poll "Watchers" to monitor the vote counting. We all know that each state has its own laws re elections - many can easily be subject to "cheating and fraud". In this country, one would think/hope/believe that we would have an honest vote counting and reporting. Some evidence indicates this may not be the case, especially in some states. Certainly hope that all this can be worked out, even in courts if needed.

Hopefully this won't be a terribly extended final result resolution.

In the end my attitude is "It Is What It Is". Life is too short, and not worth it to harbor excessive hate or worry.

I plan to put out my American flag - either way. We must be strong.
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Here lies the problem:
EACH state has their own laws for voting! If we are UNITED States laws should be the same at least for National Elections. We are in a modern age why not transcend to digital voting centers . 14 days of voting. One day of catch up known as election day. All votes in and counted before that day? Mail in drop off still can happen but with an enhanced service of time management. Time to push for change. 4 years is not that far away. Blessings for America!

[merrymini]

All people should have id.
Election day is not a secret, no votes should count if not received by election day.
The electoral college protects states with low populations.I do not want CA and NY to rule the rest of the country.
We survived McCarthy so we will prevail against socialism too.
Somebody should get jobs for those rich white kids setting fires so they know what “work” really means.
We may be looking at the decline of our power if the young people of this country believe communism is good.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by FromNY

Here lies the problem:
EACH state has their own laws for voting! If we are UNITED States laws should be the same at least for National Elections. We are in a modern age why not transcend to digital voting centers . 14 days of voting. One day of catch up known as election day. All votes in and counted before that day? Mail in drop off still can happen but with an enhanced service of time management. Time to push for change. 4 years is not that far away. Blessings for America!

Probably because digital can be hacked by cyber criminals. Old school with many checks-and-balances is much better.

[ts12755]

20 years from now middle class will be gone. God will be removed from America. We don't have to worry about it, we'll be dead. Our children and grandchildren will not get to live the life we did.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by ts12755

20 years from now middle class will be gone. God will be removed from America. We don't have to worry about it, we'll be dead. Our children and grandchildren will not get to live the life we did.

God is very much alive in the US and will stay that way. It is though worship by many different cultures with different views of God. The problem always comes up when some one with a lot of power starts dictating their view of God on others. A Henry VIII for instance who wants to get out of his passionless marriage to a Catholic.

[jjp2532]

Originally Posted by jnafix

And all Americans citizens do... When have YOU or anyone that YOU know have ever voted without proper ID ?

Live in IL, never have I been required to show ID to vote on any level.

[Mohawksin]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

People should have to submit proof of identity in order to vote.

ID and Mark on their hand which wears off the day after the election.

[Steve32162]

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y'all = you all

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[gail swanson]

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