[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by blueash

Finally somebody understands. Jews are correct to focus on the Jewish deaths that occurred at the hands of Germany. And that focus is righteous and important. And the support of people who are not Jewish is also important. And when Jews say "never forget" it is the same as saying "Jewish lives matter" That in no way diminishes the awareness that is was not only Jews who suffered. Only some of the worst people deny the Holocaust.

Now we have a group saying "Black lives matter" to which so many on this website and elsewhere retort "all lives matter" and criticize the Black leaders for their narrow focus. The same narrow focus Jewish leaders have about the atrocity visited upon them by their governments. Stop with the denial of their righteous and important focus and the support of others who recognize their pain and their cause.

Would you have been angered at Jews who did not stand for the anthem when they learned that FDR was aware of the concentration camps and did nothing or turned away Jewish refugees sending them back to Europe to their death as they were the poor and unwashed beyond our quota? If your county does nothing to help and even worse is actively involved in the extermination of your people does it deserve "respect"? Should Native Americans be allowed to kneel in reflection for how they were treated?

I am sick and tired of white supremacists who say not every unarmed person killed by a cop was black. Not every person killed in Auschwitz was a Jew either. This nation was founded with slavery enshrined in its constitution. The White House was built by slaves. Pennsylvania which had allowed non-Whites to vote removed that provision in 1838 and it was not restored until 1869. It took the bloodiest war in US history to end slavery and then people looked the other way as the Jim Crow laws put the Negro back into inequality. The KKK, lynchings, police brutality, segregation all either ignored or actively supported by local state and the federal government.

And now it continues. On this website people start thread after thread on the same tired tropes. If only the Blacks wouldn't be so uppity. If only they'd behave and act like I think they should. If only they weren't so lazy and shiftless. If only they'd not sully our beautiful white women with their rapes.

So yes Black Lives Matter. Finally the majority of Americans are getting the clue. And now that most corporations are seeing this moment in history and getting on board perhaps we can begin as a nation to undo some of the systematic racism most of us see, Then healing can begin and the flag might actually mean to POC what it means to some of you.

So we're comparing the truly systemic murder of Jews in the millions to obviously non systemic Police killings of unarmed blacks which numbers 10-20 per year? LOL

BLM movement was formed on lies about Trayvon Martin and "hands up don't shoot" Michael Brown. Blacks commit more crimes per capita than any other race in America and so logically they have more interactions with police. Crying racism every time they get arrested is a smokescreen to hide the real problem.

[tvbound]

Originally Posted by Windguy

I see there are still many people who don’t get the fact that for a long time “all” didn’t include black people. Justice for all meant justice for all white people. Rights for all meant rights for all white people and so on. In the original Constitution, black men counted for less than white men and women didn’t count at all. Now, some people are saying that “all” should include black people, too.

When you see “black lives matter,” just think of it as “black lives matter, too.” That’s what it really means. It was never meant to be “only black lives matter.” Absolutely nobody thinks it should mean that.

You are absolutely correct.

Putting aside the violence that has occurred in some locations, by a small percentage of those hiding within the various BLM protests and that almost no one supports this lawbreaking, getting to the root of the misdirection, broad-brush painting and outright lies about BLM by so many white people, boils down to one simple thing (as proved by so many posts and threads here on TOTV). That being that most whites know they hold the vast majority of wealth, power and influence and just the thought of being forced to sharing those things by allowing equality for ALL, scares them to their very souls.

Our nation was actually founded on one huge and obvious lie, in that the Founding Father's did not really believe that "All men are created equal." Saving the fact for another thread in that they were also only talking about men and not women, the FF's purposely only meant white men and not all men. There were also many who wanted to only include land-holding white men, thus further narrowing who they considered "ALL" men.

[Bernie1]

I am tired of being constantly poked in the eye about how one race is sooo mistreated. Contrary to popular belief this is not true. These post are meant to disrupt don’t be sucked in.

[tvbound]

Originally Posted by blueash

Finally somebody understands. Jews are correct to focus on the Jewish deaths that occurred at the hands of Germany. And that focus is righteous and important. And the support of people who are not Jewish is also important. And when Jews say "never forget" it is the same as saying "Jewish lives matter" That in no way diminishes the awareness that is was not only Jews who suffered. Only some of the worst people deny the Holocaust.

Now we have a group saying "Black lives matter" to which so many on this website and elsewhere retort "all lives matter" and criticize the Black leaders for their narrow focus. The same narrow focus Jewish leaders have about the atrocity visited upon them by their governments. Stop with the denial of their righteous and important focus and the support of others who recognize their pain and their cause.

Would you have been angered at Jews who did not stand for the anthem when they learned that FDR was aware of the concentration camps and did nothing or turned away Jewish refugees sending them back to Europe to their death as they were the poor and unwashed beyond our quota? If your county does nothing to help and even worse is actively involved in the extermination of your people does it deserve "respect"? Should Native Americans be allowed to kneel in reflection for how they were treated?

I am sick and tired of white supremacists who say not every unarmed person killed by a cop was black. Not every person killed in Auschwitz was a Jew either. This nation was founded with slavery enshrined in its constitution. The White House was built by slaves. Pennsylvania which had allowed non-Whites to vote removed that provision in 1838 and it was not restored until 1869. It took the bloodiest war in US history to end slavery and then people looked the other way as the Jim Crow laws put the Negro back into inequality. The KKK, lynchings, police brutality, segregation all either ignored or actively supported by local state and the federal government.

And now it continues. On this website people start thread after thread on the same tired tropes. If only the Blacks wouldn't be so uppity. If only they'd behave and act like I think they should. If only they weren't so lazy and shiftless. If only they'd not sully our beautiful white women with their rapes.

So yes Black Lives Matter. Finally the majority of Americans are getting the clue. And now that most corporations are seeing this moment in history and getting on board perhaps we can begin as a nation to undo some of the systematic racism most of us see, Then healing can begin and the flag might actually mean to POC what it means to some of you.

"On this website people start thread after thread on the same tired tropes. If only the Blacks wouldn't be so uppity. If only they'd behave and act like I think they should. If only they weren't so lazy and shiftless. If only they'd not sully our beautiful white women with their rapes."



You have absolutely hit on the reasons for the abject fear of so many whites, that I mentioned in my previous post. Not that they will ever have the honesty to admit it though.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by anothersteve

That's a ridiculous analogy.

Steve

Made a lot of sense to me.

[Scorpyo]

After reading the posts I’ve noticed that some people are in favor of BLM, some are not. I believe BLM is comprised of 3 elements, those that truly feel that Blacks are at a big disadvantage and something needs to be done (like MLK); those that use BLM to fill their pockets with cash (like Bernie Madoff); and those that hate the way of life in the US and want to destroy it (like Fidel Castro). Fortunately or unfortunately I find that those elements (and probably many more) are exhibited in most aspects of life. You find the truly compassionate that want to help those in need; the predators that want to take advantage of any and everyone; and those that want to change and/or destroy anything they don’t agree on. I guess that’s humanity. Interesting word considering some aspects I don’t believe are truly humane. I do believe that most of us contain some if not all of those aspects. We want to help those close to us; we take advantage of others to get ahead (consciously or unconsciously); and we strive to change what we don’t agree upon (left to right, right to left, etc). When I read a post or response that I consider controversial to my beliefs I simply say – damn that person is really stupid (the same thing they probably say about my responses) but then I smile and say – hey, we are what we are.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I would have cancelled the game and fired every player on both teams.

They are merely pointing out a historic and systemic injustice. Why hide it? To pretend equality that is incomplete is compete?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by TexaninVA

I saw it quite differently. I see a lot of overpaid athletes succumbing to social pressure and supporting, de facto, a Marxist revolutionary group BLM that purports to advance the cause of black folk. Most of the athletes have no idea of what's going on.

The membership of BLM is primarily white and one of the key national leaders is a former member of the Weather Underground.

Many people will simply stop watching politicized sports. At some point, the players will get to deal with pay cuts. An interesting factoid ... A&E cancelled their popular "Live PD" show and A&E's ratings have dropped about 50% as a result. Go woke, and go broke.

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[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by JoMar

Ignorance continues....please research before doing a ridiculous comparison.

I thought "Blue's" statement was sarcasm.

[sadie44]

Watched one inning of Yankee-Washington. Then turned off TV and called MLB.TV to cancel my subscription. Sports is not about politics for me.

[Don Ferguson]

Originally Posted by Windguy

I see there are still many people who don’t get the fact that for a long time “all” didn’t include black people. Justice for all meant justice for all white people. Rights for all meant rights for all white people and so on. In the original Constitution, black men counted for less than white men and women didn’t count at all. Now, some people are saying that “all” should include black people, too.

When you see “black lives matter,” just think of it as “black lives matter, too.” That’s what it really means. It was never meant to be “only black lives matter.” Absolutely nobody thinks it should mean that.

Windguy you are COMPLETELY wrong! Wrong about what BLM stands for. It ONLY cares about black lives that are ended by white police officers. It does happen but is minuscule compared to other black problems. e.g. You are over 70 times more likely to die at the hands of another black person if you are black. That fact means NOTHING to BLM. Read their web site, do some homework.

[ffresh]

Originally Posted by Dahabs

I think that's the point of BLM, that Black lives were not valued to the same degree as White lives. In other words, Black Lives Matter as well.

NO … that's complete malarkey; that is NOT the point of BLM. BLM is a Marxist organization committed to eradicating Western culture and values. All one need do is go to their web page and review their "about" page, i.e. mission statement. The current national debacle was "ginned up" by BLM (and other commie groups) in furtherance of their mission - to destroy Western culture, civilization and government!

There is a HUGE difference between supporting the Marxist organization, BLM and supporting the concept that black lives matter. If one is in the former category, then one would be a "useful idiot" as Stalin "affectionately" referred to them.

Fred

[jjombrello]

Amen to that

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

People tune in to watch baseball, not "statements"

People like to pretend - "What if I were a celebrated athlete, a respected leader, a role model, a thought leader, an avante guard, leading edge operator pushing cultural change". After they are done pretending, then they are curious about their life background. Take golf, for instance, everyone loved Arnold Palmer and knew all about him. There was a thirst for Palmer to opinionate on the world. His opinions carried weight and could slightly move society forward - so also Mickey Mantle, Mohammed Ali and today LeBron James. It's the "HERO" principle, people desire heroes for better or worse.
So today's baseball players are doing what players and heroes do. They MAKE POWERFUL statements on IMPORTANT social issues. It helps people resolve these issues in their OWN minds. It is healthy and SHOULD continue, and WILL continue like the tide that will NOT stop!

[ficoguy]

Are they tearing down Columbus statues because he was a CATHOLIC imperialist? I see they want to tear down statue of Father Junipero Serra in California. Apparently monestaries are now being viewed as concentration camps for indigenous peoples....by CATHOLIC monks.....