[popbaby2]

Please wear a mask and continue precautions after getting your vaccination. You can still get covid-19 and pass it on. You would probably be asymtomatic.
Vaccination
1. WILL NOT Protect you 100%
2. WILL protect you from getting it bad and killing you

Pay attention to the SCIENCE!!!!!

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by popbaby2

Please wear a mask and continue precautions after getting your vaccination. You can still get covid-19 and pass it on. You would probably be asymtomatic.
Vaccination
1. WILL NOT Protect you 100%
2. WILL protect you from getting it bad and killing you

Pay attention to the SCIENCE!!!!!

And here we have another one. The vaccine will give immunity to about 95% of the people who get it. If you are in the 95%, YOU CANNOT GET THE VIRUS AND YOU CANNOT PASS IT ON
If you are in the 5%, It's like you never were vaccinated.

So again, I'll re-post what I wrote on another COVID thread-----

Why does this idiotic rumor keep spreading????? Again, I challenge ANYONE to cite a reputable source for this nonsense.

Think of it this way-----why would all the "experts" be pushing the vaccines as the method of obtaining herd immunity and ending this pandemic if the vaccines did not confer immunity. Why spend billions on vaccines that only prevent "death" in the 0.3% of the people who would actually die from it. In fact, in a cold-hearted but social Darwinian model, why keep people who can spread the virus alive?

Yet , on just about every COVID thread, some yahoo pops up with the "the vaccine only decreases severity of illness and reduces the chance of death" Use your brains, please.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

And here we have another one. The vaccine will give immunity to about 95% of the people who get it. If you are in the 95%, YOU CANNOT GET THE VIRUS AND YOU CANNOT PASS IT ON
If you are in the 5%, It's like you never were vaccinated.

So again, I'll re-post what I wrote on another COVID thread-----

Why does this idiotic rumor keep spreading????? Again, I challenge ANYONE to cite a reputable source for this nonsense.

Think of it this way-----why would all the "experts" be pushing the vaccines as the method of obtaining herd immunity and ending this pandemic if the vaccines did not confer immunity. Why spend billions on vaccines that only prevent "death" in the 0.3% of the people who would actually die from it. In fact, in a cold-hearted but social Darwinian model, why keep people who can spread the virus alive?

Yet , on just about every COVID thread, some yahoo pops up with the "the vaccine only decreases severity of illness and reduces the chance of death" Use your brains, please.

Thank you. I guess there are those that the glass will always and ALWAYS be half empty.
Must be a lot of idiots out there if they are willing to get TWO shots, with miserable side effects, thinking that if they are around anyone infected that they will get infected but only get a little sick. Some folks should have to wear a sign that warns others that they do not use their brain to function day to day. It must be from Global Warming, I mean Climate Change, or is it Man Made Climate Change? Proof that some folks' wind mills have frozen solid, not just in Texas.

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

And here we have another one. The vaccine will give immunity to about 95% of the people who get it. If you are in the 95%, YOU CANNOT GET THE VIRUS AND YOU CANNOT PASS IT ON
If you are in the 5%, It's like you never were vaccinated.

So again, I'll re-post what I wrote on another COVID thread-----

Why does this idiotic rumor keep spreading????? Again, I challenge ANYONE to cite a reputable source for this nonsense.

Think of it this way-----why would all the "experts" be pushing the vaccines as the method of obtaining herd immunity and ending this pandemic if the vaccines did not confer immunity. Why spend billions on vaccines that only prevent "death" in the 0.3% of the people who would actually die from it. In fact, in a cold-hearted but social Darwinian model, why keep people who can spread the virus alive?

Yet , on just about every COVID thread, some yahoo pops up with the "the vaccine only decreases severity of illness and reduces the chance of death" Use your brains, please.

Yeah, I am getting tired of hearing the nonsense as well. The vaccine 'takes' on about 95% of the people. They cannot get the virus. Period.

As far as masks?

I've said in other pages as well that once everyone who wants the vaccine has it, we can take them off for sure. I'm not running around with a mask on to protect the health of some foolish enough to refuse to get vaccinated. That is Darwin at his greatest.

[Stu from NYC]

Has there been a study that definitely tells us you cannot give someone the virus after taking both shots of the vaccine?

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Has there been a study that definitely tells us you cannot give someone the virus after taking both shots of the vaccine?

Several. There is a lingering concern that a vaccinated person could come across the virus and harbor it for a limited period of time in their nasopharynx, those studies concluded that more study is needed.

Keep in mind it takes about 12 days after vaccination to achieve immunity and during that time you can still get and spread COVID, so continue to wear a mask for, lets say 2 weeks after 2nd dose.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Has there been a study that definitely tells us you cannot give someone the virus after taking both shots of the vaccine?

I've read one from Israel, but I am not an expert or even a medical professional. I have however, stayed at a Holiday Inn Express.
From what I got from the Israeli study, ingestion of the virus after being inoculated will kill the virus (spores?) so that you should not be able to contract the disease or communicate it to others.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Several. There is a lingering concern that a vaccinated person could come across the virus and harbor it for a limited period of time in their nasopharynx, those studies concluded that more study is needed.

Keep in mind it takes about 12 days after vaccination to achieve immunity and during that time you can still get and spread COVID, so continue to wear a mask for, lets say 2 weeks after 2nd dose.

Correct me if I am mistaken, but my understanding from new sources indicate that after the first shot, one is effectively immune up to around 80%. If true, that would mean that the second shot (booster?) would greatly enhance one's immunity. And I also saw the revised time to boosted immunity after the second shot as about 12 days.

Like I said before, I can only base my information on what I have read and what little I can comprehend of the technical details.

By the way, did you see the Israeli study of their nasal spray? They have been testing it here in the U.S. and it looks to be 99.99% effective in KILLING the virus if inhaled via the nostril. If so, it may also be a game changer for the morphing virus as it is "supposed" to kill all viruses when they come into contact with the spray. The spray is supposed to be some substance that turns into a protecting gel that coats the inside of the nose. Hey, I can only describe it as I see it, not being a medical professional.

[Stu from NYC]

We have had the first does of vaccine and the second in 7 days. Will give it a few weeks after that and than will start going to shows so we can finally enjoy the entertainment.

At the moment it appears we will continue to wear the masks but for how long, who knows/

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Has there been a study that definitely tells us you cannot give someone the virus after taking both shots of the vaccine?

Scientific studies suggest that taking two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines is very important for achieving the antibody response to provide protection and create lasting immunity.


https://healthmatters.nyp.org/covid-...-and-immunity/

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

And here we have another one. The vaccine will give immunity to about 95% of the people who get it. If you are in the 95%, YOU CANNOT GET THE VIRUS AND YOU CANNOT PASS IT ON
If you are in the 5%, It's like you never were vaccinated.

So again, I'll re-post what I wrote on another COVID thread-----

Why does this idiotic rumor keep spreading????? Again, I challenge ANYONE to cite a reputable source for this nonsense.

Think of it this way-----why would all the "experts" be pushing the vaccines as the method of obtaining herd immunity and ending this pandemic if the vaccines did not confer immunity. Why spend billions on vaccines that only prevent "death" in the 0.3% of the people who would actually die from it. In fact, in a cold-hearted but social Darwinian model, why keep people who can spread the virus alive?

Yet , on just about every COVID thread, some yahoo pops up with the "the vaccine only decreases severity of illness and reduces the chance of death" Use your brains, please.

GE.....you know I value your expertise, but I'm sort of confused by this. Everything I have read about these mRNA vaccines states that no moderate to severe disease has been reported in anyone who has been fully vaccinated and has waited the two weeks after the second shot. In other words, it is reported that there have been no hospitalizations in people who have been fully vaccinated and no reported deaths directly related to the mRNA vaccines.

My understanding, which may be totally wrong so I'm referring to you for guidance, is that everyone who is vaccinated benefits from the mRNA vaccines in that they are protected from severe disease and death. I did not take those efficacy percentages to mean that 5% of totally vaccinated people have no protection at all and it is if they were not vaccinated at all. This statement dismays me.

I was eager to be vaccinated so I would feel assured that at least I won't die of Covid directly or even be hospitalized with severe disease. What you have said has dashed that feeling of security for me.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Has there been a study that definitely tells us you cannot give someone the virus after taking both shots of the vaccine?

This new information has come from Israel who is using the Pfizer vaccine exclusively. I saw Dr. Fauci on TV nearly two weeks ago say that this new evidence is showing that fully vaccinated people are not transmitting the virus to others. Dr. Fauci said this may be because a fully vaccinated person has a low viral load in their naso -pharynx and can not transmit the virus to others. More study has to be done so this claim can be verified. I thought this was great news when I heard Dr. Fauci give us this information. I'm very encouraged.

To me, this means that if it is determined that fully vaccinated people can not transmit the disease, the masks can come off and distancing will not be as critical as it is now. That is just my gut feeling and nothing is written in stone.

Also, coming from the CDC with this news that was made available from Israel, is this......

CDC Says Fully Vaccinated People Do Not Need to Quarantine | Health.com

IMHO, this is all the more reason for as many people to be vaccinated to reach herd immunity safely.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Correct me if I am mistaken, but my understanding from new sources indicate that after the first shot, one is effectively immune up to around 80%. If true, that would mean that the second shot (booster?) would greatly enhance one's immunity. And I also saw the revised time to boosted immunity after the second shot as about 12 days.

Like I said before, I can only base my information on what I have read and what little I can comprehend of the technical details.

By the way, did you see the Israeli study of their nasal spray? They have been testing it here in the U.S. and it looks to be 99.99% effective in KILLING the virus if inhaled via the nostril. If so, it may also be a game changer for the morphing virus as it is "supposed" to kill all viruses when they come into contact with the spray. The spray is supposed to be some substance that turns into a protecting gel that coats the inside of the nose. Hey, I can only describe it as I see it, not being a medical professional.

That is great news about the nasal spray if, in fact, it really does work as you described. However, just wondering if this "gel" that will form inside the nose will make a a bit difficult to breathe. Inquiring minds want to know.

[coffeebean]

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[coffeebean]

Golfing Eagles.....Please read paragraph 1 of this article. It explains how the efficacy percentages work for the mRNA vaccines. This is what I have thought all along how the protective immunity works for fully vaccinated people.......

https://healthmatters.nyp.org/covid-...-and-immunity/