[rsimpson]

Originally Posted by mrf0151

We live in a community of older folks. I see on the courses many that cannot bend over to get the ball out of the cup. They have a ball retriever at the end of their putter. How in the world can one expect them to fix anything on the green?
On a side note, one poster here said something about aerated greens and people not fixing divots. After aeration, fixing a divot will do more damage to a green. Try it sometime and you will see.

I have to challenge you on 'doing more damage'. Leveling out the hole edges for better mowing and maintenance can't hurt. Also - If they can put a tee in the ground, they can fix a ball mark.

[rsimpson]

Originally Posted by Papa_lecki

If you’re talking Mangrove, and you played in the morning, there’s a guy who goes out on Mangrove after the started leaves, and hits 15 or 20 balls onto every green, and doesn’t fix ANY ball marks .
I’ve been behind him a few times.
Said something to him once, but he ignored me.

I think you hit this one on the head. WAY too many ball marks on those greens for a few days of play. Most golfers I see roll the ball on the green. That guy needs a talking to!

[Plinker]

Here is another golf etiquette that is routinely ignored.
Let’s say you tee off and the ball flies 200 yards up the middle of the fairway (unlikely). Golfers should drive in the rough and then turn perpendicular to where their ball lies. Many simply drive all the way up the middle of the fairway until they reach the green without traveling in the rough. Driving in the rough is appropriate in order to save the integrity of the fairway. I have mentioned this to people I have been paired with but always falls on deaf ears. Many just don’t care.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

"GOLFER" do you understand spelling checkers? Sometimes their help is less helpful than others. But, grammar police are almost never helpful - just rude or insulting.

Who commented on anyone's grammar?

[DaleDivine]

Originally Posted by Bill1701

And, unless you have a RA tag, keep your carts off the par 3 fairways.

No such thing as an RA tag... It is now called a CAP...
Course Access Pass...

[DaleDivine]

Originally Posted by DonH57

I'm curious how many out every 100 new residents attended the Good Golf class that I know one time happened once a month. Do they still do this class? It covered golf etiquette and how to make tee times. Judging by the number of ball marks, unfilled divots, unraked bunkers, bunker rake placement, torn cup edges, and golf carts to close to the greens I'd say 1 out of a hundred.

I've been to it even though I have been golfing over 60 years.
Very informative class and I think ALL NEW GOLFERS SHOULD ATTEND...
They tell you how to properly fix ball marks, rake traps and how to put the rake back in the trap at a 90 degree angle, how to keep off another person's putting line, and to PLAY READY GOLF, among other good tips...

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

They also toss their take out soda cups wherever they happen to be.

I hear another season of Squid Game is coming out, maybe we could have start shooters along the course and they just shoot them... survivors a the end of the year get free amenity fees for life... (that was a sarcastic joke, please don't shoot those people...)

Maybe just shoot them in the back with ink pellets.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by banjobob

But you must respect the “Privileged” that play golf here. They pay their fee and others should fix things they screw up , repair their divots and rake the sand traps. Most are too lazy and can’t bend over , have you seen how the ruin the edge of the cups with their putters retrieving their ball.

They're not lazy. If they were truly lazy they wouldn't bother playing golf in the first place.

They are arrogant pretentious baistiches who are sure that rules apply to everyone else, and they really don't give a rat's arse if you don't like it.

[tvbound]

Playing often (exclusively "championship" courses) as a single walk-on, I am constantly amazed at the number of residents (at least they say they are) who don't even bother to make an effort to rake traps - much less fix ball marks or sand their massive divots. I've had more than a few silent rounds riding with someone, after mentioning that one would think a resident would have a sense of the courses being their own - and treat them better.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

They're not lazy. If they were truly lazy they wouldn't bother playing golf in the first place.

They are arrogant pretentious baistiches who are sure that rules apply to everyone else, and they really don't give a rat's arse if you don't like it.

But how do you really feel about golf?

[alwann]

Originally Posted by rsimpson

If you are good or lucky enough to hit the green with your approach shot, and make a ball mark, please fix that D&%# hole you made!! They put a lot of effort in maintaining these courses. Please do your part. It's not that hard! Bend over with a tool and fix the hole. Mangrove course today - I fixed 10-15 mark on every green - outrageous! And the greens were aeriated, to boot. Respect the courses please.

Let's talk about etiquette and good manners.

Your shots lands in the middle of a bunker a half acre wide with a high lip. You're playing partners are on the green eyeballing you, and perhaps even putt out while waiting. Bad form from them. It takes two strokes for you to get out. The rake is way over there. Another group is pushing. The bunker is full of unranked soft spike foot prints from players who believe soft spikes tracks are okay. So you say to yourself, the heck with raking, we gotta move on.

Next, you've made the green in regulation. Calling it a green is an overstatement. It's more like astroturf laid over a waffle iron, and this is weeks after aeration. You can't tell your ball mark from the others. Maybe you fix one and hurry up because your partners are already walking off.

So few players I've seen play golf with a consideration for etiquette. But, sadly, if we all did, slow play is the likely result.

[villager7591]

youtube how to fix a ball mark - Google Search

[Larchap49]

Originally Posted by mrf0151

We live in a community of older folks. I see on the courses many that cannot bend over to get the ball out of the cup. They have a ball retriever at the end of their putter. How in the world can one expect them to fix anything on the green?
On a side note, one poster here said something about aerated greens and people not fixing divots. After aeration, fixing a divot will do more damage to a green. Try it sometime and you will see.

I don't agree. If you can wind up and hit a golf ball I think you could repair a divot. I'll bet they bend over or squat if they drop their wallet or see a 5 dollar bill on the ground. That's just an excuse for laziness.

[ThirdOfFive]

"Teachable moment" has been mentioned earlier in this discussion.

There are undoubtedly a number of entitled folks who think etiquette is only for the other guy/gal, but in my opinion (and experience) I think the majority are well-intentioned but just don't understand what is expected of golfers. Yeah, I know they should make it a point to learn, but I can forgive ignorance if the willingness to learn is there.

Case in point: a few weeks back my wife and I were playing one of the executive courses (Chula Vista) when it started to rain. Mini-cloudburst, maybe 10 minutes tapering off to a slight drizzle. One group of 4 in front of us and an open hole ahead of them. They dove into their carts, which were parked on the path maybe 10 yards to the side of the green when the rain came (we were on the tee and had an umbrella). We went to the tee when the rain stopped; however they stayed parked in their carts even when they saw us on the tee. After a wait of maybe 5 minutes I walked on over to them and amiably asked them to move on to the next hole, mentioning that the proper etiquette is to clear the area adjacent to the green when the next group is teeing off. They were good sports about it, thanking me for telling them and then moving on.

Another example: I've seen people fixing ball marks who don't really know the proper procedure. Hearts are in the right place but the knowledge isn't there. Good video on YouTube: "How to fix a ball mark on the putting green".

[sloanst]

Starts with D, ends with n, and a similar pronunciation creates a man made reservoir.