[golf2140]

Originally Posted by deltaguy

Ten of us played Hacienda Hills earlier today. All ten would describe the course conditions as deplorable. No need to complain as all we ever get is lame excuses. All outside courses we've played in the past two months have conditions that put the situation we experienced today to shame. Why do so many residents tolerate such inferior course conditions?

What were your issues?

[Bogie Shooter]

On the reservation system as of this evening. for a Monday tee time, all three nines at HH were closed.

[chuckster]

yep..but if you check course schedule on the res. system... mon. closed for tournament..hope this helps....

[mickey100]

Originally Posted by deltaguy

Ten of us played Hacienda Hills earlier today. All ten would describe the course conditions as deplorable. No need to complain as all we ever get is lame excuses. All outside courses we've played in the past two months have conditions that put the situation we experienced today to shame. Why do so many residents tolerate such inferior course conditions?

I agree and think its a good idea to call the head of golf operations and voice a complaint if the conditions at a particular course are deplorable on a regular basis. If more residents did that, perhaps things would change. That said, we rely on this thread to keep track of where the good conditions are, and make our tee times accordingly. I suppose its asking too much to have all the courses in wonderful shape all at the same time. Generally it seems like maybe half are in decent condition. Thanks to this thread, knowing ahead of time which courses to avoid, our groups are generally playing on the courses that are in good shape.

[deltaguy]

Originally Posted by golf2140

What were your issues?

Deplorable is deplorable. Any attempt at enhancement would be a total waste of my time.

[deltaguy]

Originally Posted by mickey100

I agree and think its a good idea to call the head of golf operations and voice a complaint if the conditions at a particular course are deplorable on a regular basis. If more residents did that, perhaps things would change. That said, we rely on this thread to keep track of where the good conditions are, and make our tee times accordingly. I suppose its asking too much to have all the courses in wonderful shape all at the same time. Generally it seems like maybe half are in decent condition. Thanks to this thread, knowing ahead of time which courses to avoid, our groups are generally playing on the courses that are in good shape.

Reread my post. I have talked to Golf Operations on the subject of Golf Course conditions a number of times. All they do is come up with lame excuses. In a nutshell, they simply don't care as there are enough "golfers" in TV who will play on whatever crappy venue is put before them and still think they are in utopia.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by deltaguy

Reread my post. I have talked to Golf Operations on the subject of Golf Course conditions a number of times. All they do is come up with lame excuses. In a nutshell, they simply don't care as there are enough "golfers" in TV who will play on whatever crappy venue is put before them and still think they are in utopia.

I don't think that is really true.....................

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by deltaguy

Deplorable is deplorable. Any attempt at enhancement would be a total waste of my time.

Let's try this. Was the rough too long? Were the fairways too long? Had they done recent sanding or work on greens? Was there damage on greens from unrepaired ballmarks? Did the course need to be fertilized or treated with weed killer or ant killer? This is anthill season. Was there bird poop on greens? Was it impossible to find your ball in the rough?

Lack of water shouldn't have been an issue. Help us by telling us what were the deplorable issues?

[graciegirl]

Golf Course Conditions #1
01-20-2011, 12:08 PM
cabo35
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Golf Course Conditions
We played Hacienda Hills yesterday. Fairways ok but winter brown showed little green. Very dry in spite of rainfall. Lots of roll. The greens were green and ok. Played Palmer a few days ago. Fairways were green and good......not spectacular. Greens fast and in good condition. Any reports on Glenview, Lopez or Cane Garden?

Is there any interest in suggesting a Golf Course Conditions Forum to the TOTV administration? Like restaurants, course conditions fluctuate and I would find it useful to frequently pull up a forum that gives current playing conditions as noted by golfers who post regularly. Hopefully, there would be enough interest to keep the forum fresh and up to date.

Your thoughts.

Originally Posted by deltaguy

Ten of us played Hacienda Hills earlier today. All ten would describe the course conditions as deplorable. No need to complain as all we ever get is lame excuses. All outside courses we've played in the past two months have conditions that put the situation we experienced today to shame. Why do so many residents tolerate such inferior course conditions?

Your post above was written as a response to Cabo's original post of Jan 20, 2011 starting this thread, at least you quoted that post.

[deltaguy]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Let's try this. Was the rough too long? Were the fairways too long? Had they done recent sanding or work on greens? Was there damage on greens from unrepaired ballmarks? Did the course need to be fertilized or treated with weed killer or ant killer? This is anthill season. Was there bird poop on greens? Was it impossible to find your ball in the rough?

Lack of water shouldn't have been an issue. Help us by telling us what were the deplorable issues?

Nice try but none of the above. Deplorable doesn't imply any of obvious junk you mention. It simply means that the course was in crappy shape, not for any of the excuse type reasons you imply. A ball on the fairway should rest on grass. A ball putted on the green should not jump up and down 10 times on a four foot putt. I'm a golfer so please don't challenge me when I say deplorable. Lopez on Monday was in very good shape, just in case you don't think I'm fair. If you play in a group with 5 and 6 handicap players you might accept their opinion about deplorable conditions. If you play with 30 handicappers you probably wouldn't have a basis for knowing.

[Russ_Boston]

Originally Posted by deltaguy

Nice try but none of the above. Deplorable doesn't imply any of obvious junk you mention. It simply means that the course was in crappy shape, not for any of the excuse type reasons you imply. A ball on the fairway should rest on grass. A ball putted on the green should not jump up and down 10 times on a four foot putt. I'm a golfer so please don't challenge me when I say deplorable. Lopez on Monday was in very good shape, just in case you don't think I'm fair. If you play in a group with 5 and 6 handicap players you might accept their opinion about deplorable conditions. If you play with 30 handicappers you probably wouldn't have a basis for knowing.

That's all we wanted, no need to be rude. So to make a very long story short: The fairways and greens are in bad shape. Thanks for the info, I'll play somewhere else tomorrow. End of this conversation?

[golf2140]

Originally Posted by deltaguy

Nice try but none of the above. Deplorable doesn't imply any of obvious junk you mention. It simply means that the course was in crappy shape, not for any of the excuse type reasons you imply. A ball on the fairway should rest on grass. A ball putted on the green should not jump up and down 10 times on a four foot putt. I'm a golfer so please don't challenge me when I say deplorable. Lopez on Monday was in very good shape, just in case you don't think I'm fair. If you play in a group with 5 and 6 handicap players you might accept their opinion about deplorable conditions. If you play with 30 handicappers you probably wouldn't have a basis for knowing.

Excuse US !!!!!!!!!!!

[Mikeod]

Originally Posted by deltaguy

Nice try but none of the above. Deplorable doesn't imply any of obvious junk you mention. It simply means that the course was in crappy shape, not for any of the excuse type reasons you imply. A ball on the fairway should rest on grass. A ball putted on the green should not jump up and down 10 times on a four foot putt. I'm a golfer so please don't challenge me when I say deplorable. Lopez on Monday was in very good shape, just in case you don't think I'm fair. If you play in a group with 5 and 6 handicap players you might accept their opinion about deplorable conditions. If you play with 30 handicappers you probably wouldn't have a basis for knowing.

Well, EXCUSE US. All we were trying to do was gain some insight into what specifically goes into a course being "deplorable". I didn't know that you had to be a single digit handicap to understand course conditions. It's just that it seems reasonable that to classify a course that way there may be some specifics that would enlighten us ignorant higher handicappers so we, too, can rant about the conditions. Sorry that doing so would be a waste of your time. Frankly, if you walk into golf administration offices with the elitist attitude you present in this thread, I would expect them to respond in kind and give you their "lame" excuses to get you out of there.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by mikeod

Well, EXCUSE US. All we were trying to do was gain some insight into what specifically goes into a course being "deplorable". I didn't know that you had to be a single digit handicap to understand course conditions. It's just that it seems reasonable that to classify a course that way there may be some specifics that would enlighten us ignorant higher handicappers so we, too, can rant about the conditions. Sorry that doing so would be a waste of your time. Frankly, if you walk into golf administration offices with the elitist attitude you present in this thread, I would expect them to respond in kind and give you their "lame" excuses to get you out of there.

Well said!

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by deltaguy

Nice try but none of the above. Deplorable doesn't imply any of obvious junk you mention. It simply means that the course was in crappy shape, not for any of the excuse type reasons you imply. A ball on the fairway should rest on grass. A ball putted on the green should not jump up and down 10 times on a four foot putt. I'm a golfer so please don't challenge me when I say deplorable. Lopez on Monday was in very good shape, just in case you don't think I'm fair. If you play in a group with 5 and 6 handicap players you might accept their opinion about deplorable conditions. If you play with 30 handicappers you probably wouldn't have a basis for knowing.

These elitist comments were really not necessary....................