[nitehawk]

does anyone rake anymore.....

[waynet]

played Mallory today and will repeat....they are the worst bunkers I have played anywhere. As for raking...if you are in some of these bunkers you will rake 20 feet to get in another 20 to get out and rake deep heavy sand and God forbid if you land in the face of a bunker,you might get a heart attack raking those faces!

[Challenger]

Last sunday afternoon 2:50pm played Belmont. On the eighth hole, now at 2hrs. there were 4 foursomes on the hole.
Said something to Ambassador about someone taking charge of the situation. He was polite but clearly was going to do nothing and told me so in just those words. Have been here for 3 yrs and it has now become an intolerable situations (9 hole courses). Bunkers are a mess always. Ball marks on greens very bad .

I am generally a cheer leader for TV but it is time for someone? to take action to improve conditions on the Executive courses.

If ambassadors can do nothing(their words) who can? Someone in authority is clearly not paying attention . If they are paying attention, shame.

Dissapointed!

Originally Posted by Challenger

Last sunday afternoon 2:50pm played Belmont. On the eighth hole, now at 2hrs. there were 4 foursomes on the hole.
Said something to Ambassador about someone taking charge of the situation. He was polite but clearly was going to do nothing and told me so in just those words. Have been here for 3 yrs and it has now become an intolerable situations (9 hole courses). Bunkers are a mess always. Ball marks on greens very bad .

I am generally a cheer leader for TV but it is time for someone? to take action to improve conditions on the Executive courses.

If ambassadors can do nothing(their words) who can? Someone in authority is clearly not paying attention . If they are paying attention, shame.

Dissapointed!

If all nine holes are full and my guess is that they where. What is he going to do?

[mickey100]

Originally Posted by Challenger

Last sunday afternoon 2:50pm played Belmont. On the eighth hole, now at 2hrs. there were 4 foursomes on the hole.
Said something to Ambassador about someone taking charge of the situation. He was polite but clearly was going to do nothing and told me so in just those words. Have been here for 3 yrs and it has now become an intolerable situations (9 hole courses). Bunkers are a mess always. Ball marks on greens very bad .

I am generally a cheer leader for TV but it is time for someone? to take action to improve conditions on the Executive courses.

If ambassadors can do nothing(their words) who can? Someone in authority is clearly not paying attention . If they are paying attention, shame.

Dissapointed!

I agree as far as ball marks and raking on executive courses. You could go to any executive course in the Villages and find a couple dozen ball marks to fix. And I rarely land in a bunker that has no footprints in it. People are either ignorant of golf courtesy, or just plain lazy.

[Challenger]

Originally Posted by nkrifats

If all nine holes are full and my guess is that they where. What is he going to do?

You make a good point . However the situation should have been corrected far in advance of a back up that had four groups on 1 par three hole. Is there no one who could monitor such situations. If it is not the Ambassador's job then who?

[waynet]

Men's Day...today. 2nd hole on Virginia. 5 foursomes and 2 mowers on the same hole. Ambassador asked how we were doing and went on his way.

[fred53]

Originally Posted by Challenger

You make a good point . However the situation should have been corrected far in advance of a back up that had four groups on 1 par three hole. Is there no one who could monitor such situations. If it is not the Ambassador's job then who?

really appreciate any suggestions you may have to speed up play. We notify the starter when things start to back up. We look for reasons of the backing up(i.e: ball hawkers, people hitting 2,3 or more balls from the tee in lieu of going to the drop area. If the groups are elderly with physical problems(many, many do)then you can't ask them to move faster.

Since you don't know what the situation was or have any viable solutions you might want to think up a solution in stead of just complaining.

I'm open to reasonable solutions, but with mostly elderly and beginners playing on the executive there is not a lot a person can do.

So you mention the problem should have been corrected far in advance...HOW? It takes 45 minutes to an hour to tour an executive course properly...a round should take 1.5 to 1.75 hours to play...if people have to wait and it still takes that amount of time then some folks are clearly better golfers and should understand the situation.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by fred53

really appreciate any suggestions you may have to speed up play. We notify the starter when things start to back up. We look for reasons of the backing up(i.e: ball hawkers, people hitting 2,3 or more balls from the tee in lieu of going to the drop area. If the groups are elderly with physical problems(many, many do)then you can't ask them to move faster.

Since you don't know what the situation was or have any viable solutions you might want to think up a solution in stead of just complaining.

I'm open to reasonable solutions, but with mostly elderly and beginners playing on the executive there is not a lot a person can do.

So you mention the problem should have been corrected far in advance...HOW? It takes 45 minutes to an hour to tour an executive course properly...a round should take 1.5 to 1.75 hours to play...if people have to wait and it still takes that amount of time then some folks are clearly better golfers and should understand the situation.

[e-flyer]

"You could go to any executive course in the Villages and find a couple dozen ball marks to fix. And I rarely land in a bunker that has no footprints in it. People are either ignorant of golf courtesy, or just plain lazy. you see."


ignorant, and lazy both apply. Heck, if the holes are backed up, take a minute when you get to the green, and repair the ball marks. I'm guessing I repair 2-3 minimum per hole. Better than just standing around or sitting in your cart. We pay for these courses, treat them better, and their condition will improve.

[Challenger]

Originally Posted by fred53

really appreciate any suggestions you may have to speed up play. We notify the starter when things start to back up. We look for reasons of the backing up(i.e: ball hawkers, people hitting 2,3 or more balls from the tee in lieu of going to the drop area. If the groups are elderly with physical problems(many, many do)then you can't ask them to move faster.

Since you don't know what the situation was or have any viable solutions you might want to think up a solution in stead of just complaining.

I'm open to reasonable solutions, but with mostly elderly and beginners playing on the executive there is not a lot a person can do.

So you mention the problem should have been corrected far in advance...HOW? It takes 45 minutes to an hour to tour an executive course properly...a round should take 1.5 to 1.75 hours to play...if people have to wait and it still takes that amount of time then some folks are clearly better golfers and should understand the situation.

The main issue is the lack of understanding of "ready golf"

At the tee many will not leave carts and walk to the tee until all players in their group have teed off. Ready golf in fairways seldom used.
No reason while on green, unless playing some kind of match to wait for other players still not ready. Ready golf can be observed everwhere unless puting a player in danger.
Obviously this does not apply when playing some kind of match.

Playing more than one ball after a bad shot- should go to the drop area

playing after already reaching 3 or 4 over par.-pick a reasonable number.

Get in the cart and drive away from green rather than carrying on conversations before leaving.

Anyone who has played more than a few rounds on the Execs can tell you why play is slow and most of us understand that new players and older folks should be given some slack.
If no one ever provides some giudance they will never improve. Some are by nature inconsiderate.(probably same group who don't rake, fix ball marks etc)

There are many things that can be done if the management of the courses will act. In talking to a few of the ambasadors they indicate that they are not allowed to encourage people to keep up and maintain a reasonable rate of play.

It is not so much that we are all in a great hurry as it is the frustration and break of focus when there are two, three, and four groups waiting on one hole.

My last two rounds have taken 2.20 and 2.15 to play .On one of those we had to skip the 9th hole because it had become too dark to play.

This situation can be improved while showing respect to all golfers new and experenienced. In order to do so someone(management) has to act.

I'm all whined out!

[eweissenbach]

Back to "course conditions". Played Sweetgum yesterday and the greens were in terrible shape. Now back to your regularly scheduled bitchfest.

[mickey100]

Originally Posted by Challenger

The main issue is the lack of understanding of "ready golf"

At the tee many will not leave carts and walk to the tee until all players in their group have teed off. Ready golf in fairways seldom used.
No reason while on green, unless playing some kind of match to wait for other players still not ready. Ready golf can be observed everwhere unless puting a player in danger.
Obviously this does not apply when playing some kind of match.

Playing more than one ball after a bad shot- should go to the drop area

playing after already reaching 3 or 4 over par.-pick a reasonable number.

Get in the cart and drive away from green rather than carrying on conversations before leaving.

Anyone who has played more than a few rounds on the Execs can tell you why play is slow and most of us understand that new players and older folks should be given some slack.
If no one ever provides some giudance they will never improve. Some are by nature inconsiderate.(probably same group who don't rake, fix ball marks etc)

There are many things that can be done if the management of the courses will act. In talking to a few of the ambasadors they indicate that they are not allowed to encourage people to keep up and maintain a reasonable rate of play.

It is not so much that we are all in a great hurry as it is the frustration and break of focus when there are two, three, and four groups waiting on one hole.

My last two rounds have taken 2.20 and 2.15 to play .On one of those we had to skip the 9th hole because it had become too dark to play.

This situation can be improved while showing respect to all golfers new and experenienced. In order to do so someone(management) has to act.

I'm all whined out!

Well said. There is no way an executive course should take over 2 hours to play no matter how much of a beginner one is. My souse plays with some beginners, and they still end up waiting on every hole. They play ready golf, they pick up after double par, etc.

[mickey100]

Originally Posted by e-flyer

"You could go to any executive course in the Villages and find a couple dozen ball marks to fix. And I rarely land in a bunker that has no footprints in it. People are either ignorant of golf courtesy, or just plain lazy. you see."


ignorant, and lazy both apply. Heck, if the holes are backed up, take a minute when you get to the green, and repair the ball marks. I'm guessing I repair 2-3 minimum per hole. Better than just standing around or sitting in your cart. We pay for these courses, treat them better, and their condition will improve.

I agree. Let's take better care of our courses.

[fred53]

Originally Posted by Challenger

The main issue is the lack of understanding of "ready golf"

At the tee many will not leave carts and walk to the tee until all players in their group have teed off. Ready golf in fairways seldom used.
No reason while on green, unless playing some kind of match to wait for other players still not ready. Ready golf can be observed everwhere unless puting a player in danger.
Obviously this does not apply when playing some kind of match.

Playing more than one ball after a bad shot- should go to the drop area

playing after already reaching 3 or 4 over par.-pick a reasonable number.

Get in the cart and drive away from green rather than carrying on conversations before leaving.

Anyone who has played more than a few rounds on the Execs can tell you why play is slow and most of us understand that new players and older folks should be given some slack.
If no one ever provides some giudance they will never improve. Some are by nature inconsiderate.(probably same group who don't rake, fix ball marks etc)

There are many things that can be done if the management of the courses will act. In talking to a few of the ambasadors they indicate that they are not allowed to encourage people to keep up and maintain a reasonable rate of play.

It is not so much that we are all in a great hurry as it is the frustration and break of focus when there are two, three, and four groups waiting on one hole.

My last two rounds have taken 2.20 and 2.15 to play .On one of those we had to skip the 9th hole because it had become too dark to play.

This situation can be improved while showing respect to all golfers new and experenienced. In order to do so someone(management) has to act.

I'm all whined out!

there is nothing to get people to sign up for and take the "good golf school" or read up on "ready golf" so in effect you have many people who just go out and play grass hockey.

If people aren't educated in golf etiquette and don't want to be then all of your great ideas(and you aren't the first to note what can be done)are falling on not only deaf ears, but ears that aren't forced to act as you describe.