[gpirate]

Originally Posted by DonH57

As a beginner I do my best to play "ready golf" and practice proper etiquette. If by chance someone is racing up behind me as I have seen others do I allow them to go ahead since I'm not as advanced as them. I can't count how many times I've gone out and start a round without anyone in front of me and by the time I'm at the 7th hole I see 4somes stacked up and it's getting late. Groups coming up behind me start leaving the course. I now see a general attitude of let's horseplay and don't worry that the ones behind us won't finish tonight. I have had a few experienced golfers help me here in the villages and yet I've also seen snobbery exhibited among others and that only hurts the game in my opinion.

Good post and after reading all these comments I am wondering how they could ever say this is the friendliest town.

[DonH57]

Originally Posted by gpirate

Good post and after reading all these comments I am wonderierr tng how they could ever say this is the friendliest town.

Thank you. As I said earlier I just started playing golf and hopefully when I get to a higher level of experience I'll remember to help a newcomer I see struggling.

[eweissenbach]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

It is what it is.
Blaming the course is like blaming your clubs.

Just because someone says it, and you agree with it, does not make it "what it is".

[fred53]

Originally Posted by eweissenbach

Very snarky post IMHO.

only meant as reality. If you take it as snarky instead of reality perhaps you should re-think the whole golf thing.

When people complain and it's quite clear the problem is with them often they claim the person pointing out the reality of the situation is not being nice when in fact it is the person who can't face reality that has issues.

I am very honest in evaluating my own golf game and I suppose I expect everyone else to be. Obviously from your post many people are not honest in their self evaluation and I'm sorry that you can't be. Hopefully you find a course that plays into your problem areas.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by eweissenbach

Just because someone says it, and you agree with it, does not make it "what it is".

You got opinions, I go opinions, we all got opinions!

[eweissenbach]

Originally Posted by fred53

only meant as reality. If you take it as snarky instead of reality perhaps you should re-think the whole golf thing.

When people complain and it's quite clear the problem is with them often they claim the person pointing out the reality of the situation is not being nice when in fact it is the person who can't face reality that has issues.

I am very honest in evaluating my own golf game and I suppose I expect everyone else to be. Obviously from your post many people are not honest in their self evaluation and I'm sorry that you can't be. Hopefully you find a course that plays into your problem areas.

My golf game is fine, but thanks for your interest. Honesty is one thing, rudeness another. My problem area is who use the internet to tell others how much better they are than anyone else - and that is being honest.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by eweissenbach

Just because someone says it, and you agree with it, does not make it "what it is".

I got an opinion, you got an opinion, we all got opinions!

[nitehawk]

This was a great thread - where i could find out conditions of the golf courses both in and out of tv -----it has now turned into a bunch of snarky remarks about opinions --- where is the moderator ????????

[fred53]

Originally Posted by eweissenbach

My golf game is fine, but thanks for your interest. Honesty is one thing, rudeness another. My problem area is who use the internet to tell others how much better they are than anyone else - and that is being honest.

as for being rude I believe you are assigning an attitude towards what I wrote because it upsets you. I'm sorry for that as I am not a rude person. If you don't like my assessment of your game then perhaps you should have left the parts out about "to many fairway bunkers, bunkers to deep, bunkers in front of the greens, etc. A golfer that knows how to extricate themselves from bunkers has no issues with them the way they are...you do...ergo...you don't have the game you think you do...ergo...you play above your abilities. Sorry that bothers you.

I never said I was better than anyone. If I happen to be able to produce shots you can not it's because I practice quite a bit and maybe(I said "maybe")have more ability than you. Does that make me better than you? No, but a more accomplished golfer due to my golf work ethic...sure...why not. I earned it. Are there those better at golf than myself? I'd be an idiot to think otherwise.

Do people respond to me like I did to you? Not usually...why? Because I don't complain about conditions that are the same for everyone and only those that don't know how to play under those conditions do complain.

So either practice or quit complaining. If that is offensive to you then you need to look inward for the blame...not outward. Have a fine day and I hope we don't meet on the course.

[DonH57]

On a lighter note I played Diablo this evening and even after all the rain today the course was excellent and I was able to finish the ninth as it started raining again.

[waynet]

Hey Fred,your response to my post was at best childish. nothing you wrote makes any sense. Nowhere did I blame the course for my errant shots. Ready golf has nothing to do with hitting out of turn. The size of a bunker has very little to do with the difficulty of a hole. And please do not tell me that I need practice,you know nothing,I repeat nothing about my golf game. The post was my response to the slow play that others were writing about. Perhaps you should practice less and take a remedial reading class.

[eweissenbach]

Originally Posted by waynet

Hey Fred,your response to my post was at best childish. nothing you wrote makes any sense. Nowhere did I blame the course for my errant shots. Ready golf has nothing to do with hitting out of turn. The size of a bunker has very little to do with the difficulty of a hole. And please do not tell me that I need practice,you know nothing,I repeat nothing about my golf game. The post was my response to the slow play that others were writing about. Perhaps you should practice less and take a remedial reading class.

[mickey100]

Fred, I'm assuming you didn't mean to, but your post came across a little high handed and judgmental. That happens sometimes on the internet - people take offense where none was intended. Let's all move on. This is a good thread, and we don't want to muck it up.

My question is - what are the championship courses that have the best conditions right now i.e. your top four? Thanks.

[Russ_Boston]

Originally Posted by eweissenbach

My golf game is fine, but thanks for your interest. Honesty is one thing, rudeness another. My problem area is who use the internet to tell others how much better they are than anyone else - and that is being honest.

I normally agree with many of your posts but..


The poster may not have been tackful but he/she brought out some great points. I would hate to see a whole village (60 + courses) where there weren't some very challenging courses and holes. Think Pelican: If you play from the blacks or gold you can't 'run' the ball up. If your game is currently at the 'run up' stage then get out and practice at courses that allow this action (i.e. not Pelican or Sweetgum or...) we have many. But please don't think that we need to de-golf design holes in TV.


Fast play: Has almost nothing to do with handicap of the golfer. So many ways to speed up play into the 9 minutes per hole. Not going to list them all as they have already been mentioned. I do try to get the first tee time every day to avoid problems but I do also play mid-afternoon and I just put my patience hat on.


Golf conditions: I'm not a great golfer (11 handicap and dropping) but I don't find the conditions bad for the most part. A few holes, yes, but overall not bad for the amount of play.

[TOTV Team]

Everyone please keep comments directed at topic and not at any user. When a thread deteriorates in that fashion we have to close it for the best interest of civility which we do not want or like to do. Thanks in advance.