[kkingston57]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Lessons? You don't need no stinking lessons! Just remember to keep your head down.
You're welcome. 😉

Most amateurs do something else wrong(like swaying to their right) which lifts their head and after missing the shot they scream I lifted my head.

[Teed_Off]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

Not impressed with the teachers at The Villages.

Any recommendations for teaching pro's in the area.

Okay traveling an hour or so.

Thanks


(any one used Oxford??)

There are many golfers who keep a GHIN Handicap Index yet are very liberal with their own rules (rolling the ball in the fairway, gimmees, etc.) rather than the rules of golf. BTW - the only D. Wilson listing The Villages as their home course has an H. I. of 23.6.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Being a finance guy, you already know this ... statistics are only as good as the raw input. Arccos' stats aren't representative and rife with errors and Lou comes erroneous conclusions. Lou brags about their "2 billion shot" database, but has no interest in putting his "conclusions" into context, only tossing hand grenades over the transom, to generate "hits". (I have a friend at Arccos, who's about 8 steps above Lou on the food chain, so I have a little extra insight).

Sorry to get wound up, but Lou Stagner is the Kardashian of golf "statisticians".

Sorry to hit a nerve. As a high handicapper and a finance stats guy, I find the stats very interesting, as I have no other means of analyzing golf shot data. Golf with its GHIN index, slope and rating, and Pro players, has alot of common knowledge misinformation. I wasn't suggesting his skill level or his index as anything relevant, but more as my only source of golf stats for referencing performance versus handicap.

peace out. .

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

Sorry to hit a nerve. As a high handicapper and a finance stats guy, I find the stats very interesting, as I have no other means of analyzing golf shot data. Golf with its GHIN index, slope and rating, and Pro players, has alot of common knowledge misinformation. I wasn't suggesting his skill level or his index as anything relevant, but more as my only source of golf stats for referencing performance versus handicap.

peace out. .

Golfers always seem to have a misconception about how good they are, how good the guys on TV are, as well as the expected quality of their shots.

To throw a local connection at the wall. 1st Stage of Korn-Ferry Qualifying begins to today at the Country Club of Ocala. It was previously scheduled for 2 weeks ago, until the hurricane interrupted things. All the other 1st Stages are complete.

@SkeenJackson is competing there. Jackson is a +6.2 Index (GHIN - United States Golf Association Service). He has NO status on any Tour in the world. He's trying to make it through the 1st Stage to qualify for the Korn_Ferry Tour ... there are 2 more Stages before he makes K-F (the PGA Tour is a long way away).

So let's put things into a local perspective.

If Jackson came down to visit and played Mallory Hills (Caroline to Virginia, the tougher routing), from the BLACK Tees, he would be playing at +7. He would have to shoot 65 to "play to his handicap". 7 UNDER Par. He would have to average about 67 to maintain that handicap..

Jackson barely slips into the Top 3000 AMATEURS in the world, at #2954.

What's been happening in golf over the last 20 years of so is ... I'll use a economics description ... elasticity of the performance curve.

The very best Professionals (the guys we see on TV) have gotten significantly better than the days of Palmer & NIcklaus. Advances in equipment have allowed the Pros to distance themselves from the average players and surely from the typical "hacker". Scratch players used to watch golf on TV and think, "geez, with a few months of practice, I could play with these guys". Now? Any PGA Tour player could give the typical scratch player, 4-5 strokes a side and beat him like a drum. My club in NH has 12 guys with + handicaps.

Golfers don't realize how poorly they play, in relation to what they see on TV and end up with unrealistic expectations.

In fact, what they're watching on TV are freakishly talented professionals, that mere mortals have no hope of ever emulating.

@Loustagner is great at reminding folks of how badly they play.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by SHIBUMI

As a golfers handicap gets lower his ego gets higher. Then as he hits single digits his ego grows exponentially. For the OP to say there isn't any teacher in the Villages that can teach him anything means his balloon is a little too full. He needs to let a little air out before he can let any learning in. So, as your golf improves, be careful of this stat.. it is so spot on

Learn to read and comprehend.
Never said "there isn't any teacher in the Villages that can teach him anything."

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by Teed_Off

There are many golfers who keep a GHIN Handicap Index yet are very liberal with their own rules (rolling the ball in the fairway, gimmees, etc.) rather than the rules of golf. BTW - the only D. Wilson listing The Villages as their home course has an H. I. of 23.6.

Not me T, thanks for checking.

[It's Hot There]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

This thread is fascinating. I'm amazed at how many experts we have on TOTV! I've been in TV for 4 winters. I play 5 times a week. I book the night before, so that means I've played with approximately 1000 different golfers. I have played with fewer than 20 people who played the Blue Tees. I have never seen anyone else play the Golds or Blacks. I have yet to see anyone break 80. I shot my age from the Blues at TDS, last winter. I figured if I got old enough, I'd eventually accomplish that elusive goal. 1 under par.

FUNNY, your posts, your opinions are presented as fact.

Not seeing a lot of "experts" on TOTV, seeing a lot of suggestions to the OP's question.

Your 1000 different golfers, if true, is less than 1% of The Villages.
I have played with a frequent poster and he plays only Black & Gold Tees.

siBUM, don't know how many low handicappers you know ("As a golfers handicap gets lower his ego gets higher."), but the frequent poster enjoys the game, helps people if asked, laughs at himself and has no ego.

Enjoy your morning coffee.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Teed_Off

There are many golfers who keep a GHIN Handicap Index yet are very liberal with their own rules (rolling the ball in the fairway, gimmees, etc.) rather than the rules of golf. BTW - the only D. Wilson listing The Villages as their home course has an H. I. of 23.6.

Originally Posted by dewilson58

Not me T, thanks for checking.

An Index of 23.5 in The Villages, almost qualifies as a "good golfer"

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

In fact, what they're watching on TV are freakishly talented professionals, that mere mortals have no hope of ever emulating.

I have played with/against ex professionals in three different sports, a long time ago, in my 20's: actual competition, pickup and fun organized.

There is a huge/immense/ginnormous/intergalactic difference between amateurs and professionals, to which most people can't relate. There are gazillions of couch potato judgers, who can spew/type like their egos believe, but try actual competing with them sometime, and experience the differences.

they are freakishly talented, but also gives one hope that a golf shot out of the rough, or just missing the green, still making par or bogey at worst is not impossible. . . .

[Topspinmo]

[QUOTE=It's Hot There;2382722]FUNNY, your posts, your opinions are presented as fact.

Not seeing a lot of "experts" on TOTV, seeing a lot of suggestions to the OP's question.

Your 1000 different golfers, if true, is less than 1% of The Villages.
I have played with a frequent poster and he plays only Black & Gold Tees.

siBUM, don't know how many low handicappers you know ("As a golfers handicap gets lower his ego gets higher."), but the frequent poster enjoys the game, helps people if asked, laughs at himself and has no ego.

Enjoy your morning coffee.

[/As a golfers handicap gets lower his ego gets higher

Same goes for pickleball players, tennis players. But, that different. In golf, billiards, darts, bowling, ect… you have no one to blame but yourself. In Pickleball, tennis, baseball, football, and dozens more sports you have others to blame cause they not up to the entitled standards that lowers you play due to their inabilities.

[Markgolf]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

Not impressed with the teachers at The Villages.

Any recommendations for teaching pro's in the area.

Okay traveling an hour or so.

Thanks


(any one used Oxford??)

What type of instructor appeals to you? How often do you get lessons? What are your goals? What technologies do you prefer?

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

they are freakishly talented, but also gives one hope that a golf shot out of the rough, or just missing the green, still making par or bogey at worst is not impossible. . . .

I used to play golf a couple of times a week, with a guy who had an MBA from Harvard and consulted to major corporations around the world. He also happened to be a former All American Defensive Back.

He loved to play golf. 4-5 times a week, at an expensive private club. Never kept score. He has no idea of what his scores were. He enjoyed the 1 or 2 shots he hit pure every round and that's what it was all about for him. I often don't keep score. I only count how many Pars or Birdies for the day.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

I used to play golf a couple of times a week, with a guy who had an MBA from Harvard and consulted to major corporations around the world. He also happened to be a former All American Defensive Back.

He loved to play golf. 4-5 times a week, at an expensive private club. Never kept score. He has no idea of what his scores were. He enjoyed the 1 or 2 shots he hit pure every round and that's what it was all about for him. I often don't keep score. I only count how many Pars or Birdies for the day.

I would be in the low 80's average if I didn't blow up 3-4 holes, so I also just count pars and bogeys. . . this year was my first for eagle opportunities with two. . however, with longer season and more practice opportunities in TV, I am hoping to shoot my age decade someday. . including the cattail pitch and putt. . :

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

I would be in the low 80's average if I didn't blow up 3-4 holes, so I also just count pars and bogeys. . . this year was my first for eagle opportunities with two. . however, with longer season and more practice opportunities in TV, I am hoping to shoot my age decade someday. . including the cattail pitch and putt. . :

Folks who are fairly new at golf, are often confused by the "goal". Golf is not (at this level) about making good shots ... it's a game of minimizing your bad shots.

Want to try an experiment (I stole it from Tom Watson, so I don't want credit if it works)?

Everyone has a club or 2, they love and seem to hit well most of the time. Go play some day and just use that club, unless you're in the sand or around the green. Use it (or one of 2) for every shot. I'll bet you $5 you'll shoot your best round ever.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

To throw a local connection at the wall. 1st Stage of Korn-Ferry Qualifying begins to today at the Country Club of Ocala. It was previously scheduled for 2 weeks ago, until the hurricane interrupted things. All the other 1st Stages are complete.

@SkeenJackson is competing there. Jackson is a +6.2 Index (GHIN - United States Golf Association Service). He has NO status on any Tour in the world. He's trying to make it through the 1st Stage to qualify for the Korn_Ferry Tour ... there are 2 more Stages before he makes K-F (the PGA Tour is a long way away).

So let's put things into a local perspective.

If Jackson came down to visit and played Mallory Hills (Caroline to Virginia, the tougher routing), from the BLACK Tees, he would be playing at +7. He would have to shoot 65 to "play to his handicap". 7 UNDER Par. He would have to average about 67 to maintain that handicap..

Jackson barely slips into the Top 3000 AMATEURS in the world, at #2954.

It's a tough game. Jackson Skeen shot 84 today, in the 2nd round of 1st Stage at CC of Ocala.
First Stage- FL 1 - First Stage Leaderboard | Korn Ferry Tour Q-School

It will probably take a score of -11 or -12 to make it through 1st Stage. He's probably out of it (no cut at Q School). Golf is hard.